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WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
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Notes from Meeting with Steve Cambone Pentagon, Tuesday, August 12, 2003 Participants Steve Cambone Lt Gen Jerry Boykin Philip Zelikow Kevin Scheid Bonnie Jenkins Mike Hurley •
Look at reason JSOC was created. There were reasons and they were thought through. You need to look at origins
•
Creation and origins of SOLIC
•
Distinction between anti-terrorism (force protection) and counterterrorism (find terrorists and kill them)
•
"There was nobody in this building until summer of 2001." Feith not confirmed until June or July, Wolfowitz not confirmed until March.
•
First big crisis for Pentagon in Bush administration is the plane on Hainan Island
•
Need to know ROEs (Rules of Engagement).
•
"We did have a plan"-^ 1 It was a framework, not specifically tailored, but used in the event, of a specific contingency o one for hostage rescue o one for national capital region
•
Some plans .are still valued; some pre-9/11 are still sensitive
•
Did not/want to produce operational plans—likley did not want us secondguessing things like the "landing zones" that were selected in specific operations
•
Cambone: "What do you really want to know?"
»
PZ: from '98 forward, any plans that had object of using force against al-Qaida in Afghanistan, or anywhere else
•
Possible a plan was not do-able, or plan was do-able at a cost of a, b, c, or d.
•
Tee'ing it up as a choice the president would have to make
1 9/11 Classified Information
•
At 9-11: Kinds of general plans presented to the president for immediate decisions o National leadership-level planning overviews thru Camp David
•
Post 9-11 thru present: overall strategy, evolving concept of operations, problems that evolve in the field o We need lessons learned from military—What worked? What didn't work?
•
Want to know what we're doing in Afghanistan
•
Rummie asked Gen Holland for a budget. He just asked for plus ups. The Rummie sent it back and Holland came in with a war budget. As of Jne 24 '02 (date of Rummie memo) SOCOM is a supported command
•
Pissing contest over armed Predator. Question was who would have the responsibility to pull the trigger. Under whose authority?
•
PZ: We'd like an intro and orientation on the subjects we need
•
Cambone: "The whole process changed recently
•
Cambone: "American public has a simplified view of the use of force. There are choices and there are costs. But Americans don't want to know nuances. Their view is unrealistic. You should look at: here's what it means to the people in the field who are carrying it out. The time it takes to plan, the footprint, the casualties, the risk
•
There are perils in executing these orders. Commission needs to look at operations in Afghanistan, to see the costs.
•
He argues military is not risk averse. Instead it is success oriented. Wants to succeed. Is glass half empty, or half full?
•
MH comment: Cambone is highlighting risks, but view he seems to be asserting does not suggest an understanding of the lethal nature of the risk. Clearly, if the threat was lethal, and military was convinced of that, that should have been a big factor, and weighed heavily in favor of a military solution. But that's not what occurred. When should the military have realized it was time to declare war? At the same time Tenet did it at CIA? Fall 1999?
•
Will need to talk to CIA about SOCCENT/CIA coordination in Afghanistan and in the field in Iraq.
9/11
Closed by Statute
Differences between CIA paramilitary flexibility.
and JSOC. Limitations and
•
Military can get us to any firebases we need to visit.
•
Cambone's overall point: these are complex issues, you need to understand origins, background, see things in context to make good judgments and recommendations
WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
BOX: 00002
FOLDER: 0001
COPIES: 1 PAGES:
TAB: 6
DOC ID: 31207894
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The item identified below has been withdrawn from this file: FOLDER TITLE: Hurley's Reading Material [Iof4] DOCUMENT DATE: 07/29/2003
DOCUMENT TYPE: E-Mail Printout/(Profs Notes)
FROM: Scheid TO: Hurley SUBJECT:
Re: Our First 10 Interviewees
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WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
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FOLDER: 0001
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TAB: 7
DOC ID: 31207895
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52100
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52100
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WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
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TAB: 10
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WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
BOX: 00002
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DOC ID: 31207892
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WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
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Notes from Meeting with Steve Cambone Pentagon, Tuesday, August 12, 2003 Participants Steve Cambone Lt Gen Jerry Boykin Philip Zelikow Kevin Scheid Bonnie Jenkins Mike Hurley •
Look at reason JSOC was created. There were reasons and they were thought through. You need to look at origins
•
Creation and origins of SOLIC
•
Distinction between anti-terrorism (force protection) and counterterrorism (find terrorists and kill them)
•
"There was nobody in this building until summer of 2001." Feith not confirmed until June or July, Wolfowitz not confirmed until March.
•
First big crisis for Pentagon in Bush administration is the plane on Hainan Island
•
Need to know ROEs (Rules of Engagement).
•
"We did have a plan"-^ 1 It was a framework, not specifically tailored, but used in the event, of a specific contingency o one for hostage rescue o one for national capital region
•
Some plans .are still valued; some pre-9/11 are still sensitive
•
Did not/want to produce operational plans—likley did not want us secondguessing things like the "landing zones" that were selected in specific operations
•
Cambone: "What do you really want to know?"
»
PZ: from '98 forward, any plans that had object of using force against al-Qaida in Afghanistan, or anywhere else
•
Possible a plan was not do-able, or plan was do-able at a cost of a, b, c, or d.
•
Tee'ing it up as a choice the president would have to make
1 9/11 Classified Information
•
At 9-11: Kinds of general plans presented to the president for immediate decisions o National leadership-level planning overviews thru Camp David
•
Post 9-11 thru present: overall strategy, evolving concept of operations, problems that evolve in the field o We need lessons learned from military—What worked? What didn't work?
•
Want to know what we're doing in Afghanistan
•
Rummie asked Gen Holland for a budget. He just asked for plus ups. The Rummie sent it back and Holland came in with a war budget. As of Jne 24 '02 (date of Rummie memo) SOCOM is a supported command
•
Pissing contest over armed Predator. Question was who would have the responsibility to pull the trigger. Under whose authority?
•
PZ: We'd like an intro and orientation on the subjects we need
•
Cambone: "The whole process changed recently
•
Cambone: "American public has a simplified view of the use of force. There are choices and there are costs. But Americans don't want to know nuances. Their view is unrealistic. You should look at: here's what it means to the people in the field who are carrying it out. The time it takes to plan, the footprint, the casualties, the risk
•
There are perils in executing these orders. Commission needs to look at operations in Afghanistan, to see the costs.
•
He argues military is not risk averse. Instead it is success oriented. Wants to succeed. Is glass half empty, or half full?
•
MH comment: Cambone is highlighting risks, but view he seems to be asserting does not suggest an understanding of the lethal nature of the risk. Clearly, if the threat was lethal, and military was convinced of that, that should have been a big factor, and weighed heavily in favor of a military solution. But that's not what occurred. When should the military have realized it was time to declare war? At the same time Tenet did it at CIA? Fall 1999?
•
Will need to talk to CIA about SOCCENT/CIA coordination in Afghanistan and in the field in Iraq.
9/11
Closed by Statute
Differences between CIA paramilitary flexibility.
and JSOC. Limitations and
•
Military can get us to any firebases we need to visit.
•
Cambone's overall point: these are complex issues, you need to understand origins, background, see things in context to make good judgments and recommendations
WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
BOX: 00002
FOLDER: 0001
COPIES: 1 PAGES:
TAB: 6
DOC ID: 31207894
2
The item identified below has been withdrawn from this file: FOLDER TITLE: Hurley's Reading Material [Iof4] DOCUMENT DATE: 07/29/2003
DOCUMENT TYPE: E-Mail Printout/(Profs Notes)
FROM: Scheid TO: Hurley SUBJECT:
Re: Our First 10 Interviewees
This document has been withdrawn for the following reason(s): 9/11 Closed by Statute
WITHDRAWAL NOTICE
WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
BOX: 00002
FOLDER: 0001
COPIES: 1 PAGES:
TAB: 7
DOC ID: 31207895
1
The item identified below has been withdrawn from this file: FOLDER TITLE: Hurley's Reading Material [Iof4] DOCUMENT DATE: 01/01/2003
DOCUMENT TYPE: Note/Notes
FROM:
TO: SUBJECT:
Must Read List
This document has been withdrawn for the following reason(s): 9/11 Closed by Statute
WITHDRAWAL NOTICE
WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
BOX: 00002
FOLDER: 0001
COPIES: 1 PAGES:
TAB: 8
DOC ID: 31207896
1
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WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
BOX: 00002
FOLDER: 0001
COPIES: 1 PAGES:
TAB: 9
DOC ID: 31207897
3
ACCESS RESTRICTED The item identified below has been withdrawn from this file: FOLDER TITLE: Hurley's Reading Material [Iof4] DOCUMENT DATE: 12/24/2003
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WITHDRAWAL NOTICE RG: 148 Exposition, Anniversary, and Memorial Commissions SERIES: Team 3,9/11 Commission NND PROJECT NUMBER:
52100
FOIA CASE NUMBER: 31107
WITHDRAWAL DATE: 12/03/2008
BOX: 00002
FOLDER: 0001
COPIES: 1 PAGES:
TAB: 10
DOC ID: 31207898
2
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