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Raj De

;'1 "\, Ihas been in the FBI San Diego Field Office fo;'8·y~ars. those 8 years in.the EI Centro RA office. Prior to September 11, 200I'j d~g jnvestigati()~s. Since 9/11, he has been assigned to an IT squad .

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, \ After 9/11'] l-vorked on the team assigned to investigate Hashim al-Attas. \. The Attas investigation initially arose under Penttbom. Attas came to the attention of the cause he signed over the lease to his apartment in San Diego to Khalid al-Midhar. \ could not recall exactly how this apartment had come to the attention of the FBI, ut upon further questioning he remembered that the initial lead had to do with George Harbi the manager of the apartment.

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r---lecalled that Attas signed over the; IIOllse10 the apartment to Midhar on Febru~OOO. Attas told a work associate! khat he had to do something that day at lunch. He and Dicked up Midhar and Nawafal-Hazmi and took them to meet Harb. When they arrived to meet Harb, one of the two hijackers went inside while the other remained outside.1 INas the emergency contact on the new lease. Attas was not happy about having to take Hazmi and lvftdhar to the apartment. In an interview with the FBI, his girlfriend said that Ari:as may have been doing a favor for an associate of his named Khalid LNU. ' , !

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Attas had connections in th~ Islamic community. According to his girlfriend, he did not like Omar al-Bayoumi because he :suspected that he might be a Saudi intelligence officer. Bayoumi came to Attas' apartme,nt on occasion under the guise of seeking help with his computer, but Attas believed that he was stopping by to check on him .

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had co~tact with Bayoumi every couple of weeks, but not very frequently, ... '....\\ ~~~ unaware of any increase in the phone contacts between Bayoumi and Attas in \ \. VeTari~~ry/early February 2000 .

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not know :hQ,Khalid who he was.

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\\ \\ \~s not familiar with ~he"incident in which Harb, the apartment manager, \ received a page ..from Bayoumi's phonenumber in early February 2000 and spoke with \I-lazmi when he 'retumed the call. \, '; \\ Accordingtcr:::Jthere is no eVid:~~ to suggest that Atlas is an extremist. He believed that somebody must have played on the·{~ttas should be a good Muslim and allow Hazmi andMidhar to use his apartment:L...J.Iid not think there is anything ne'~arl,,~usabout Attas.\,~ttas seemed to like America. ~\ "I !was not sure, but he believed that it had been determined that the Hashim al-Attas who was scheduled to take a cross-country flight on September 11, 2001 was not the same individual who signed over the lease to his apartment to Hazmi and Midhar, He was 5fJ% sure that this was the case. btate~ that a lea~"o/as sent to Riyadh to interview Atlas but he did not think he was ever interviewed. \""",. Turning to Iyad Khreiwesh:Jl.ecalled that he came onto the radar as a result of his association with Osama Mus~ owner of the Texaco gas station in San Diego where Hazmi briefly worked in the spring of2000. Mustafa is an American by birth and served in the Marine Co s. He has Palestinian relatives and is uite active in his su ort of the Palestinian cause. 9/11 Personal

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\,\. '. \. ··:-:.: ..·.\~··...Whenasked about reportingthatKhreiwesh had been warning-employees at the \\\Te~~~~as statioii.ill,~ugust 2001 that theFB.I~o~hl W.11l1l~ille rUt them soon;rI ".'" ... bel.lev~:t~~t..~hrelwesh::~ay have been referring an INS ag~o ......hadhadeontact.with Khiej:wes~om Khreiwesh constantly referred to as an FBI ....... ageni:....WJi~.j)r~ss~d, howev~r;L..Jfurther stated that the reporting to which he was referring concerned PQst-9/11 statements by Khreiwesh and thus could not have been the sa~e as rejjii~~~&:~ha~.conceme(fSta.~~ments made in August 2001.

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\\. According ·;~f:::·:>:':·::ithe.Texaco s~~i~i'iY.(1iSa social gathering place for Middle Eastern males. ···tIe believedthereis no doubt that .Khr . as tied to extremist groups :. ". through. his associates at ili~.TeXaco:._ ..At the very leas-t' tated, Khreiwesh knows \, \. who referred Hazmi to him:' .... "':-. s waitin a r val I headquarters in order to \ \..~nterview\~hreiwesh ...... ......_ ....._ ..... ..

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\ \ Wi~&respect to reportin~'n:g1;iJinf'~ alltged meeting on the morning of \S¢ptember 1(}~ ..2001 at the T~xaco gas st~~i~n oted that ~e i~ not willing to put a ~ot.of stock such an unconfirmed report at his time, Such reporting IS hard borate, !was rl9t totally confident in the sourceof the information . - he w~s young at the tjrne and didn 't.really know Khrelwesh, Althoug e cou n t quite pu~ his finger o~it·'· or some-reason was not -.sure -.~hether.t.oibelieve the re;rting. Thi.s reporting been provided sometime after J~>, 2002!i _ Ihad fi~s~.approached ~ connectio? ~vestig~~ori'~f th~ pent~b~m mill~fal witnesses who worked at the gas statlon.LJubsequen~ly worked WIt as a source on another matter. -. -. i. ./

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\, !stated that no p~'otOS were shown tor-lto ~~~.J]i~··alempt to identify the two unknown individuals at 't~e alleged Septe~ meet~ng:'1 'J~id not think that the FBI had a~leads at to who those two individuals might have beeri:1 ~as amenable to havin ook at photographs provided! by the Commission in order to attempt to identify t e two unknown Individuals at the September 1..0meeting .

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