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September 11, 2008
Today's date is September the 11th, 2008. The time now is 1318 hours. My name is Detective Terry Jones. My code number is #6354. I'm with the Louisville Metro Police Department. This interview pertains to File #08197, a death investigation involving victim Max Gilpin. We're currently at PRP High School, uh, 5601 Greenwood Road, and we are currently conducting an interview with Mr. Craig Webb, the athletic director. Present during this interview is Sgt. Denny Butler.
Jones
Uh, Sgt. Butler, can you identify that you are here?
Butler
I am here and my code number is #6084.
Jones
Thank you. Uh, this interview, again, is of Mr. Craig Webb, and it pertains to the above-listed file...case file... At this time, Mr. Webb, are you aware that this interview is being taped?
Webb
Yes.
Jones
And is, does it meet with your approval?
Webb
Yes.
Jones
Okay. At this time, I would like you to identify yourself, uh, stating your full name.
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Webb
Craig Allen Webb.
Jones
And date of birth?
Webb Jones
And address?
Webb
2711 Melvin Court, Louisville, KY, 40216.
Jones
And a phone number, Sir?
Webb Jones
Okay. And what is your uh, employment, please?
Webb
I am athletic director here at Pleasure Ridge Park High School.
Jones
And how long have you been athletic director here?
Webb
This is my fourth year.
Jones
Okay. At this time, if I can uh, ask you to go back to August 20th, 2008, at which time uh, a practice was taking place at this facility, uh, could you describe to me things you did that particular day, or that particular practice?
Webb
My job was to be the game manager of the girls' soccer game between uh, PRP girls against uh, Wagner's girls. And uh, at that particular time uh, leading up to, to the game time, uh, approximately 5:15, I was getting the field ready for the soccer game and uh, getting all things in order uh, for that game to take place.
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Jones
Okay. So when you uh, you, you actually game manager for the soccer game match between what teams?
Webb
Between Wagner and PRP.
Jones
Okay. And was that the boys' or girls' team?
Webb
Girls' team.
Jones
Okay. And go ahead and continue.
Webb
And uh, approximately about 5:15, uh, one of my jobs and responsibilities is to uh, check the heat index, in order for the match to take place, and uh, I did take heat index, u sing the hygrometer uh, at approximately 5:15, and, and made sure that uh, those, the, the requirements were in place in order for that match to go ahead and go on as scheduled.
Jones
Okay. And can you describe what is a hygrometer ?
Webb
A hygrometer is uh, essentially a hand-held thermometer, testing humidity, uh, relative humidity and temperature at that particular site.
Jones
And this device is uh, is a hand-held device?
Webb
Yes, it is.
Jones
And where was this device at the time that you took the reading?
Webb
In the uh, in the storage shed uh, that we use to hold our, our charts and all of our equipment for our games.
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Jones
Okay. So I, I pro'bly mis...misunderstood my question here, where was the hygrometer reading uh, taken, as it relates to the location?
Webb
It, it was taken on the, uh, on the outside of the soccer field, in front of the goals uh, right in, in front of the goals.
Jones
And is the practice field, where is the practice field as it relates to the soccer field?
Webb
It is uh, looking at it from the parking lot it's to the, to the, about ten yards to the right of the game soccer field.
Jones
So the, both fields are uh, side by side?
Webb
Yes, they are parallel to each other.
Jones
Okay. And uh, so the reading was taken, uh, you estimate it to be around 5:15?
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
Okay. And what was that reading?
Webb
It was 94 degrees.
Jones
Okay. And...
Webb
...With, that was the heat index was 94 at that time.
Jones
Okay. And at which time uh, you stated it, it fell within the guidelines of training of some sort?
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Webb
Of the uh, the KHSA uh, heat index requirements, which uh, you know, we, we measure, you know, every day, or at practices and games. But it did fall within the guidelines, which, you know, would deem a start to that particular game.
Jones
Okay. And the gar...the soccer game started at what time?
Webb
5:30, approximately 5:30.
Jones
Okay. And uh, back to the hygrometer, is that a digital device?
Webb
Yes, it is.
Jones
And how old is that device?
Webb
I'm thinking' approximately two years old.
Jones
And where was it purchased at?
Webb
Shively Sporting Goods.
Jones
And who, who purchased that item?
Webb
The athletic department, uh, would have been me.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
Would have been or through, through me.
Jones
Okay. So uh, the hygrometer, is that uh, battery-operated?
Webb
Yes, it is, a lithium battery, I believe.
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Jones
Okay. And is there a calibration involved in that, one way or another?
Webb
Uh, I think it's calibrated initially, but the, the only other requirement is just battery life...
Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...if the battery goes down, then it, you know, then you just replace the whole, the whole hygrometer.
Jones
Okay. And how is it operated?
Webb
It is basically just a, a...and on and off switch and uh, it, it basically is just a hand-held temperature reading on that site, and it just, it automatically just registers the temperature and the humidity at that time and then, then it's just a, a simple reading.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
It's very, very simple process.
Jones
Okay. and it's been used prior to that particular day. Correct?
Webb
Yes, it had.
Jones
Uh, at which time? What, the day before?
Webb
Uh, yes, it would have been the day before...
Jones
Okay...
Webb
...and, and all, actually from the time uh,
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practice started in July 15th, there, those readings are documented by our head coach. Jones
Okay. So uh, the reading was taken, the game had started, uh, was any, was the uh, football team practicing when you uh, were out on the field?
Webb
Yes, they were.
Jones
Okay. What kind of practices were they involved in at the time?
Webb
At, at the time when, when I left, uh, or when I saw, they were in, looked like in drills...
Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...in individual drills, with their individual coach, at that particular time.
Jones
Did you uh, see the team...observe the team uh, taking water breaks while you were out there?
Webb
I, there were some kids helping me uh, do, move some things prior uh, prior to their practice, they took a water break after they did that uh, but I did not see any kids particularly, from football, go over and take water at that particular time.
Jones
Okay. And your duties, are you physically assigned to the uh, to do any duties with the football practice?
Webb
No, sir.
Jones
Okay. Your job is to oversee the game, of the
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soccer game... Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And you uh, stated that as game management.
Webb
Game management. Yes, sir.
Jones
Okay. Okay...uh, and what time did you leave the field?
Webb
Uh, I left the field at about 5:20, uh, uh, and I was gone for approximately 20 minutes.
Jones
Okay. And when you returned, what did you observe?
Webb
Uh, once I got back to the game field...
Jones
...I'm sorry...I'm sorry to interrupt, what time did you get back at the field?
Webb
Approximately about 5:40.
Jones
Okay. And what was taking place then, between the football team?
Webb
At that time, I saw the kids lined up on the sideline, parallel to the girls' soccer field, and I saw them lined up, running.
Butler
Can I interrupt you here for a minute, Terry?
Jones
Yes.
Butler
When you leave at 5:20, you, how did you leave the field? Did you use the gater or did you walk?
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Webb
Yes, I, I used the gater...
Butler
...Okay...
Webb
...to go over, come over to my office in the main building.
Butler
Okay. What do you think travel time on that is? I mean just roughly? If you got on the gaiter and drove from here to the practice field...a couple minutes?
Webb
Uh, no more than two minutes.
Butler
Okay. When you got here to the pra...to your office, did you make any phone calls?
Webb
Yes, I did.
Butler
Who did you call?
Webb
I think I called and, to my wife.
Butler
Okay. Did you use a work phone or did you use uh...
Webb
...I used my, I used my home, or office phone here.
Butler
Okay. What did, and we've got your home number that you called?
Webb
Yes.
Butler
Okay. And you, so you called...at what point when you get back here do you call home?
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Webb
Uh, it was, once I set down, it was pretty quick, within maybe five minutes.
Butler
Okay. And then you hang out here in the office, you take you cell, you don't take your cell phone back with you or?...
Webb
No, because it was still on the charging...
Butler
Okay.
Webb
...uh, system because the battery had went dead earlier that day.
Butler
How long after the conversation with your wife did you leave the office and...did you go anywhere else or did you head straight back to the field?
Webb
No, I headed straight back to the field.
Butler
Okay. How long after that phone call, roughly?
Webb
Maybe five minutes I set in the office.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
Yes.
Butler
Sorry to interrupt.
Jones
That's okay. Uh, so when you returned to the field, the team was involved in what type of uh, practice?
Webb
It was uh, once again, the kids were lined up on the sideline, which was parallel to the soccer
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field and uh, the coaches had spread out over the field and uh, it, it looked to me that they were running, uh, running drills, or running sprints, is what it was. Jones
Okay. And how long do you think they ran sprints while you observed them?
Webb
Uh, I did not give my full attention to what they were doing because, you know, once again, my job is to watch the soccer game and make sure everything goes okay there...
Jones
...Yes, sir...
Webb
...uh, but I, I would say at least...at least 20 minutes' worth of running, I would say. And that's an uh, that's an approximate...but, like I say, I did not watch completely from that time...
Jones
Okay. As the team was running, uh, based on part, part of your observation, did any players become ill?
Webb
The only, the only uh, player that I saw that was having trouble at that time was Antonio Calloway. Uh, he was having difficulty breathing.
Jones
Okay. And was uh, Mr. uh, Calloway assisted?
Webb
Yes, he was.
Jones
And he uh, and, in, in what way was he assisted?
Webb
He was uh, he was brought over by Steve Ellis,
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one of our parents of our football players... Jones
...Um-hmm.
Webb
Uh, was brought over to the watering station, and uh, was, he, he...he was asked to put his head and whole body kinda under the watering system to...
Jones
...Um-hmm...
Webb
...'cause he was, he was sweating pretty good and was, you know, being uh, you know, asked to cool down...
Jones
...Um-hmm...
Webb
...they were talking to him, you know, trying to get his breathing under control, it was labored breathing. Uh, you know, no, no situation of uh, collapse that I could see or anything like that, just labored breathing, at that point.
Jones
But he was up and walking...
Webb
...Yes, he was...
Jones
...or at least trying to get his breath.
Webb
Yes, he was.
Jones
Did any other players become ill?
Webb
No, sir, not that I saw.
Jones
Okay. Did uh, at what point did you observe Max on the ground?
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Webb
I, I don't know the exact time, it, you know, the, the soccer game was well in to the first half, so I'm going to say it was somewhere around 5 to 10 minutes after 6, just a guesstimate of, of, you know, of where the length of the soccer game...I did not have...we did not have our score board working, so there was no true time of what, where the game was at that point.
Jones
You're referring to the soccer game. Right?
Webb
Yes. We're refer...so, you know, so basically I kinda judged my time at that point, based upon where the soccer game is, and...
Jones
So your best estimate is after 6 pm?
Webb
Yes. After 6 pm.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
Yes.
Jones
Okay. Uh, and what did you observe uh,, uh...Max Gilpin, what was he doing when you observed him?
Webb
When, when I saw him, he was walking up to the middle...he was uh, had already passed the middle of the practice football field...
Jones
...Is that like running, while he was running or...
Webb
No, this was, this, all the running had stopped. And the team was gathering at the uh, shade tree where, where they meet, you know, pretty
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much, from what I understand, every day after practice... Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...but they were all heading up toward the shade tree, and uh, you know, and, and I saw maybe five or six kids...and I don't remember the exact number...but there were several kids around Max, and they were coming up to the middle of the football, or...
Jones
...Okay. Let me uh, let me get my, some thoughts here...now you're telling me that Max...you didn't see Max collapse, or you just saw, saw several players around him.
Webb
Yes, I saw Max actually go down, but it looked like him and a group of other kids was walking up the practice football field.
Jones
Okay. Had Max been running uh, sprints?
Webb
I did not know what Max...I, I did not see Max running at all.
Jones
You just saw him while he...
Webb
When he actually collapsed and went to the ground.
Jones
Okay. time?
Webb
When he collapsed?
Jones
Yes, sir.
Was any players around him at the
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Webb
Yes.
Jones
And did they attempt to assist him by getting him up?
Webb
Yes, they did.
Jones
Okay. And at what point did you uh, drive over to assist him?
Webb
As soon as I saw Max hit the ground, or he collapsed to the ground, and the kids could not handle him, I, we saw it because we had a pretty good view of when he went down...
Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...and we went, it was immediately. pretty quick.
Jones
Okay. You're saying' "we", who was, who was that?
Webb
Me and uh, David Bobb, assistant AD.
Jones
Okay. And where were you at, in relationship to where Max went down?
Webb
We were uh, right by the storage shed, in front, pretty close to in front of the storage shed, on the soccer field side.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
...Right behind uh, one of the soccer goals. We were maybe ten yards behind a soccer goal.
Jones
And you were sitting on a...
It was
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Webb
A gater.
Jones
A gater? What is a gaiter?
Webb
A gaiter is just a uh, uh...transportation to get around campus, it's a two-seat uh, 4/2 uh, tran...transportation around campus.
Jones
Okay. So you drove over to assist Max, uh, and uh, by other uh, people that were gathered around him, and what was, what was done with Max at this time?
Webb
Yes, uh, the, uh, at that time there were a few kids around, was trying' to help get Max up off the field. Uh, they were having' difficulty holding' Max, because he was real sweaty and slippery, and then what we, what I, we had kinda, I assessed the kind of situation that was going' on, you know, Max was, uh, had uh, making' a grunting sound, but he was breathing, you know, he had a pulse, so I automatically thought we had maybe a heat situation here, and uh, uh...I could not pick him up, so two parents came over...Steve Ellis and, and I'm almost positive it was Tim Cowan...
Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...helped assist get Max up. They did like a fireman's cradle to lift Max and lift him in to the passenger seat of the gaiter.
Jones
And, and where was he taken at this point?
Webb
He at that point was taken over to our watering station and...
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Jones
...Okay. And what was done over there?
Webb
We disconnected the hose that, that is hooked up to the, the watering station, and so it had just a direct flow of water, and that was placed on uh, around his neck and at the back of his head where it could just completely run down his body.
Jones
Did Mr. Gilpin ever regain consciousness?
Webb
No, he did not.
Jones
Uh, what was his response to the water and the ice?
Webb
It was the grunting sound continued, uh, it wasn't a real labored breathing, but it was more of a continuous grunt.
Jones
Did, did he have a pulse?
Webb
Yes, he did.
Jones
And he was breathing.
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
But it was, you described it as a grunt.
Webb
A grunt. Yes, sir.
Jones
So CPR wasn't administered at this point. Correct. Correct?
Webb
No, sir.
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Jones
Okay. At what point was EMS notified?
Webb
I'm going to, it, I, I had asked...because I didn't have my cell phone...asked one of the coaches, or one of the people that was around...
Jones
...Um-hmm...
Webb
...to, to call for EMS, for help.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
Uh, within, within five minutes of time of getting Max off that field, we, that's when I had said for somebody to call.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
And uh, and uh, I'm almost positive Steve Deacon was around at that point...
Jones
...Yes, sir...
Webb
.. .and that's who made the call. Okay. Uh, and Max was transported to a hospital by EMS?
Jones
eventually
Webb
Yes, he was.
Jones
Okay. Uh, and uhm, if I can ask this, uh, did Max ever re...did Max get a physical while here, while attending practice, or?...
Webb
Yes, he did. He had a physical back in May.
Jones
Okay.
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Webb
From uh, from Dr. Greg Potts' office.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
And that physical was given here at school.
Jones
And all the players are required to have physicals. Correct?
Webb
Yes, they are.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
In order to, to practice or participate.
Jones
And uh, Max's, what...what, what uh, is he a junior...senior...sophomore, what...
Webb
Sophomore.
Jones
He's a sophomore.
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And is this fa...Max's first year playin'?
Webb
Second year.
Jones
Second year.
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And he is a defee...defensive player.
Webb
Uh, that I'm unaware of, I think he was a lineman, but I don't know if it was offense or defense.
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Jones
...Okay. Okay...Sgt. Butler, you got anything?
Butler
I do. I do.
Jones
Go ahead.
Butler
Uh, when you take the temperature...
Webb
...Yes, sir...
Butler
...at the soccer field...uh, do you relay anything to the, the head coach is responsible at the football for the practice.
Webb
Yes.
Butler
Do you relay anything to him, hey, I got this reading...or take any precautions or, or did he share any of that with you?
Webb
No.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
There was never any communication between each other and, and uh, uh...our, no conversation of what he had done, recorded and, and to what I had, what we had done at the soccer field and recorded.
Butler
Okay. When Max collapses and you move from the gaiter over to help Max...
Webb
...Um-hmm...
Butler
...where do you think the soccer game was at, at that point. You had mentioned that they have 40-minute halves?
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Webb
Yeah, 40-minute halves...uh, they were well in to it...I would say it had to been approaching half-time. I, I would say it was at least 30 minutes in to the game.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
At least 30 minutes, in to the game. But we did not have our score board operating uh, at that time, so I had no true time of how much time was left in, in that first half...
Butler
...Okay...
Webb
...of that particular game.
Butler
Okay. And then you mentioned Antonio Calloway, you saw him being treated?
Webb
Yes, sir.
Butler
Did practice...football practice change in any way that you noticed, or did they continue to run?
Webb
That I do, I cannot say.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
I do not know.
Butler
Uh, and then at some point you see some kids around Max and they're, you say they're walking towards the shade...were they helpin' Max walk?
Webb
Ye...I, it was hard to tell...
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Butler
...or were they, or, or were they...
Webb
...they were all real tightly knit, close together...
Butler
Okay...
Webb
...I couldn't really tell, from what I saw, I basically saw him when he went down. So I couldn't...I couldn't tell if he went down and then the kids tried to grab him..
Butler
...So you had to notice the prac...practice is uh, finishing' up, so it draws your attention. Prior to that, though, if he'd o' fallen before, you...
Webb
I would o' maybe not seen anything. Yes. Yes. Yes...
Butler
Okay. Alright. So when he, when you see Max collapse, he doesn't get back up.
Webb
No, sir.
Butler
Okay. And then you get, you get over to him. At that point...let me back up for just a minute. When they're running' laps, where are the coaches in relation to the kids?
Webb
They are facing them, uh, uh...in the mi...What I could just gather...and I didn't see all coaches, I saw Coach Stinson, looked like he was in the middle of the field...and then I saw some other coaches just kinda spread out. With so many people, it's hard to see all of 'em...
Butler
...Right...
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Webb
..so I don't know who all was there and who wasn't there, but I did see some of the coaches. I did see Coach Stinson was in the middle of the field, facing the players. And, like I said, as stated before, the players were lined up on the sideline close to the girls' soccer field, facing out toward the coaches, out toward the houses, and stuff.
Butler
...Running away from the soccer field.
Webb
Running away from the soccer field. Yes, sir.
Butler
Okay. When you get out to Max on the gater, as soon as you see him fall you all take off for him.
Webb
Yes, sir.
Butler
Are there any coaches around? attending to Max?
Webb
Uh, I did not uh, Steve Ellis had come out there, a parent...there was Bobby Deacon was out by Max, which is one of our assistant football coaches...he was in the proximity uh, uh...to, to where Max had went down.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
Yeah. Now, and I don't honestly, it was a blur to who else was around there. I couldn't tell you who the kids were, I did...Bobby Deacon was out by Max when we were there, uh, when me and David Bobb got out there to them...uh, to him...and uh, uh...that's all I can remember, as far as coaching staff that was around at that
Who's
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point. Butler
Okay. And wrapping' up here, I just have a few more questions. Has anyone tried to influence your statement in any way, shape, or form of the events that happened that day?
Webb
No, sir.
Butler
Okay. And are you aware of anyone trying to attempt to influence any of the players in any way, shape, or form?
Webb
No, sir.
Butler
Okay. And then, and that was kinda brought up...we had a meeting last Wednesday. Correct? Uh...
Webb
Uh, yes, sir.
Butler
There were three folks from Louisville Metro Police and we met with yourself and Principal Dave Johnson...
Webb
...Yes, sir...
Butler
...and explained that, you know, we're conducting a criminal investigation and the players should be treated as potential, potential witnesses.
Webb
... (Inaudible). Yes, sir.
Butler
Okay. Uh, that's all I have.
Jones
I just one follow up. Uh, the soccer game was going' on and was there a lot of spectators
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there? Webb
Yes. There was, was many...we had a soccer game going' on, so we had uh, PRP girls' soccer parents, Wagner soccer parents, pro'bly uh, maybe some boy soccer players were there, 'cause they uh, uh...you know, they come to some of the girls' games...we had football practice going' on...we had parents of football players there at practice...uh, we also, our youth league uses that, that part of that field after our football team gets done, so we had Panther youth parents and kids coming' in as well. So there were several hundred people there, in, in attendance at that particular day. At least.
Jones
Well, I may uh, uh...asked you this, I may asked one of the coaches, but I'll ask you this...is this normal for a practice to have this many people uh, gathered around a practice field doing other i...doing other events?
Webb
Yes. Yes.
Jones
So this is a normal..
Webb
...we, we have a normal, we, we have a normal audience for football practice almost every day.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
We, you know, sometimes by most practice ends, we could have as many as 15, 20 parents watching practice...we have several fathers and stuff that come the whole day and stay the whole day.
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Jones
Okay.
Webb
So uh, it, it does vary...but in the fall it's very common to have a, a, a...large crowd around practice every day. That's where our teams practice...our football team practices every day.
Jones
Okay. Alright, Sir, uh, Mr. Webb, is there anything else we didn't ask, anything else we didn't cover? Do we have follow-up, uh, Sgt. Butler?
Butler
No, I'm fine.
Jones
Okay. Anything else to cover? Anything else we didn't ask you, that you can remember?
Webb
No, not at this time.
Jones
...Anything, anything I left out?
Webb
No, not at this time.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
There’s nothing' left out.
Jones
Okay. And again, you wee, you were aware this interview was being taped. Correct?
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And you gave it on your own free will?
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And this in conjunction with the death investigation of Max Gilpin.
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Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
Okay. Uh, with no further questions we will conclude this interview with Mr. Webb, at 1342 hours.
END OF STATEMENT File #08197ojones-ks
Today's date is September the 11th, 2008. The time now is 1318 hours. My name is Detective Terry Jones. My code number is #6354. I'm with the Louisville Metro Police Department. This interview pertains to File #08197, a death investigation involving victim Max Gilpin. We're currently at PRP High School, uh, 5601 Greenwood Road, and we are currently conducting an interview with Mr. Craig Webb, the athletic director. Present during this interview is Sgt. Denny Butler.
Jones
Uh, Sgt. Butler, can you identify that you are here?
Butler
I am here and my code number is #6084.
Jones
Thank you. Uh, this interview, again, is of Mr. Craig Webb, and it pertains to the above-listed file...case file... At this time, Mr. Webb, are you aware that this interview is being taped?
Webb
Yes.
Jones
And is, does it meet with your approval?
Webb
Yes.
Jones
Okay. At this time, I would like you to identify yourself, uh, stating your full name.
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Webb
Craig Allen Webb.
Jones
And date of birth?
Webb Jones
And address?
Webb
2711 Melvin Court, Louisville, KY, 40216.
Jones
And a phone number, Sir?
Webb Jones
Okay. And what is your uh, employment, please?
Webb
I am athletic director here at Pleasure Ridge Park High School.
Jones
And how long have you been athletic director here?
Webb
This is my fourth year.
Jones
Okay. At this time, if I can uh, ask you to go back to August 20th, 2008, at which time uh, a practice was taking place at this facility, uh, could you describe to me things you did that particular day, or that particular practice?
Webb
My job was to be the game manager of the girls' soccer game between uh, PRP girls against uh, Wagner's girls. And uh, at that particular time uh, leading up to, to the game time, uh, approximately 5:15, I was getting the field ready for the soccer game and uh, getting all things in order uh, for that game to take place.
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Jones
Okay. So when you uh, you, you actually game manager for the soccer game match between what teams?
Webb
Between Wagner and PRP.
Jones
Okay. And was that the boys' or girls' team?
Webb
Girls' team.
Jones
Okay. And go ahead and continue.
Webb
And uh, approximately about 5:15, uh, one of my jobs and responsibilities is to uh, check the heat index, in order for the match to take place, and uh, I did take heat index, u sing the hygrometer uh, at approximately 5:15, and, and made sure that uh, those, the, the requirements were in place in order for that match to go ahead and go on as scheduled.
Jones
Okay. And can you describe what is a hygrometer ?
Webb
A hygrometer is uh, essentially a hand-held thermometer, testing humidity, uh, relative humidity and temperature at that particular site.
Jones
And this device is uh, is a hand-held device?
Webb
Yes, it is.
Jones
And where was this device at the time that you took the reading?
Webb
In the uh, in the storage shed uh, that we use to hold our, our charts and all of our equipment for our games.
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Jones
Okay. So I, I pro'bly mis...misunderstood my question here, where was the hygrometer reading uh, taken, as it relates to the location?
Webb
It, it was taken on the, uh, on the outside of the soccer field, in front of the goals uh, right in, in front of the goals.
Jones
And is the practice field, where is the practice field as it relates to the soccer field?
Webb
It is uh, looking at it from the parking lot it's to the, to the, about ten yards to the right of the game soccer field.
Jones
So the, both fields are uh, side by side?
Webb
Yes, they are parallel to each other.
Jones
Okay. And uh, so the reading was taken, uh, you estimate it to be around 5:15?
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
Okay. And what was that reading?
Webb
It was 94 degrees.
Jones
Okay. And...
Webb
...With, that was the heat index was 94 at that time.
Jones
Okay. And at which time uh, you stated it, it fell within the guidelines of training of some sort?
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Webb
Of the uh, the KHSA uh, heat index requirements, which uh, you know, we, we measure, you know, every day, or at practices and games. But it did fall within the guidelines, which, you know, would deem a start to that particular game.
Jones
Okay. And the gar...the soccer game started at what time?
Webb
5:30, approximately 5:30.
Jones
Okay. And uh, back to the hygrometer, is that a digital device?
Webb
Yes, it is.
Jones
And how old is that device?
Webb
I'm thinking' approximately two years old.
Jones
And where was it purchased at?
Webb
Shively Sporting Goods.
Jones
And who, who purchased that item?
Webb
The athletic department, uh, would have been me.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
Would have been or through, through me.
Jones
Okay. So uh, the hygrometer, is that uh, battery-operated?
Webb
Yes, it is, a lithium battery, I believe.
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Jones
Okay. And is there a calibration involved in that, one way or another?
Webb
Uh, I think it's calibrated initially, but the, the only other requirement is just battery life...
Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...if the battery goes down, then it, you know, then you just replace the whole, the whole hygrometer.
Jones
Okay. And how is it operated?
Webb
It is basically just a, a...and on and off switch and uh, it, it basically is just a hand-held temperature reading on that site, and it just, it automatically just registers the temperature and the humidity at that time and then, then it's just a, a simple reading.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
It's very, very simple process.
Jones
Okay. and it's been used prior to that particular day. Correct?
Webb
Yes, it had.
Jones
Uh, at which time? What, the day before?
Webb
Uh, yes, it would have been the day before...
Jones
Okay...
Webb
...and, and all, actually from the time uh,
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practice started in July 15th, there, those readings are documented by our head coach. Jones
Okay. So uh, the reading was taken, the game had started, uh, was any, was the uh, football team practicing when you uh, were out on the field?
Webb
Yes, they were.
Jones
Okay. What kind of practices were they involved in at the time?
Webb
At, at the time when, when I left, uh, or when I saw, they were in, looked like in drills...
Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...in individual drills, with their individual coach, at that particular time.
Jones
Did you uh, see the team...observe the team uh, taking water breaks while you were out there?
Webb
I, there were some kids helping me uh, do, move some things prior uh, prior to their practice, they took a water break after they did that uh, but I did not see any kids particularly, from football, go over and take water at that particular time.
Jones
Okay. And your duties, are you physically assigned to the uh, to do any duties with the football practice?
Webb
No, sir.
Jones
Okay. Your job is to oversee the game, of the
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soccer game... Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And you uh, stated that as game management.
Webb
Game management. Yes, sir.
Jones
Okay. Okay...uh, and what time did you leave the field?
Webb
Uh, I left the field at about 5:20, uh, uh, and I was gone for approximately 20 minutes.
Jones
Okay. And when you returned, what did you observe?
Webb
Uh, once I got back to the game field...
Jones
...I'm sorry...I'm sorry to interrupt, what time did you get back at the field?
Webb
Approximately about 5:40.
Jones
Okay. And what was taking place then, between the football team?
Webb
At that time, I saw the kids lined up on the sideline, parallel to the girls' soccer field, and I saw them lined up, running.
Butler
Can I interrupt you here for a minute, Terry?
Jones
Yes.
Butler
When you leave at 5:20, you, how did you leave the field? Did you use the gater or did you walk?
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Webb
Yes, I, I used the gater...
Butler
...Okay...
Webb
...to go over, come over to my office in the main building.
Butler
Okay. What do you think travel time on that is? I mean just roughly? If you got on the gaiter and drove from here to the practice field...a couple minutes?
Webb
Uh, no more than two minutes.
Butler
Okay. When you got here to the pra...to your office, did you make any phone calls?
Webb
Yes, I did.
Butler
Who did you call?
Webb
I think I called and, to my wife.
Butler
Okay. Did you use a work phone or did you use uh...
Webb
...I used my, I used my home, or office phone here.
Butler
Okay. What did, and we've got your home number that you called?
Webb
Yes.
Butler
Okay. And you, so you called...at what point when you get back here do you call home?
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Webb
Uh, it was, once I set down, it was pretty quick, within maybe five minutes.
Butler
Okay. And then you hang out here in the office, you take you cell, you don't take your cell phone back with you or?...
Webb
No, because it was still on the charging...
Butler
Okay.
Webb
...uh, system because the battery had went dead earlier that day.
Butler
How long after the conversation with your wife did you leave the office and...did you go anywhere else or did you head straight back to the field?
Webb
No, I headed straight back to the field.
Butler
Okay. How long after that phone call, roughly?
Webb
Maybe five minutes I set in the office.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
Yes.
Butler
Sorry to interrupt.
Jones
That's okay. Uh, so when you returned to the field, the team was involved in what type of uh, practice?
Webb
It was uh, once again, the kids were lined up on the sideline, which was parallel to the soccer
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field and uh, the coaches had spread out over the field and uh, it, it looked to me that they were running, uh, running drills, or running sprints, is what it was. Jones
Okay. And how long do you think they ran sprints while you observed them?
Webb
Uh, I did not give my full attention to what they were doing because, you know, once again, my job is to watch the soccer game and make sure everything goes okay there...
Jones
...Yes, sir...
Webb
...uh, but I, I would say at least...at least 20 minutes' worth of running, I would say. And that's an uh, that's an approximate...but, like I say, I did not watch completely from that time...
Jones
Okay. As the team was running, uh, based on part, part of your observation, did any players become ill?
Webb
The only, the only uh, player that I saw that was having trouble at that time was Antonio Calloway. Uh, he was having difficulty breathing.
Jones
Okay. And was uh, Mr. uh, Calloway assisted?
Webb
Yes, he was.
Jones
And he uh, and, in, in what way was he assisted?
Webb
He was uh, he was brought over by Steve Ellis,
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one of our parents of our football players... Jones
...Um-hmm.
Webb
Uh, was brought over to the watering station, and uh, was, he, he...he was asked to put his head and whole body kinda under the watering system to...
Jones
...Um-hmm...
Webb
...'cause he was, he was sweating pretty good and was, you know, being uh, you know, asked to cool down...
Jones
...Um-hmm...
Webb
...they were talking to him, you know, trying to get his breathing under control, it was labored breathing. Uh, you know, no, no situation of uh, collapse that I could see or anything like that, just labored breathing, at that point.
Jones
But he was up and walking...
Webb
...Yes, he was...
Jones
...or at least trying to get his breath.
Webb
Yes, he was.
Jones
Did any other players become ill?
Webb
No, sir, not that I saw.
Jones
Okay. Did uh, at what point did you observe Max on the ground?
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Webb
I, I don't know the exact time, it, you know, the, the soccer game was well in to the first half, so I'm going to say it was somewhere around 5 to 10 minutes after 6, just a guesstimate of, of, you know, of where the length of the soccer game...I did not have...we did not have our score board working, so there was no true time of what, where the game was at that point.
Jones
You're referring to the soccer game. Right?
Webb
Yes. We're refer...so, you know, so basically I kinda judged my time at that point, based upon where the soccer game is, and...
Jones
So your best estimate is after 6 pm?
Webb
Yes. After 6 pm.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
Yes.
Jones
Okay. Uh, and what did you observe uh,, uh...Max Gilpin, what was he doing when you observed him?
Webb
When, when I saw him, he was walking up to the middle...he was uh, had already passed the middle of the practice football field...
Jones
...Is that like running, while he was running or...
Webb
No, this was, this, all the running had stopped. And the team was gathering at the uh, shade tree where, where they meet, you know, pretty
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much, from what I understand, every day after practice... Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...but they were all heading up toward the shade tree, and uh, you know, and, and I saw maybe five or six kids...and I don't remember the exact number...but there were several kids around Max, and they were coming up to the middle of the football, or...
Jones
...Okay. Let me uh, let me get my, some thoughts here...now you're telling me that Max...you didn't see Max collapse, or you just saw, saw several players around him.
Webb
Yes, I saw Max actually go down, but it looked like him and a group of other kids was walking up the practice football field.
Jones
Okay. Had Max been running uh, sprints?
Webb
I did not know what Max...I, I did not see Max running at all.
Jones
You just saw him while he...
Webb
When he actually collapsed and went to the ground.
Jones
Okay. time?
Webb
When he collapsed?
Jones
Yes, sir.
Was any players around him at the
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Webb
Yes.
Jones
And did they attempt to assist him by getting him up?
Webb
Yes, they did.
Jones
Okay. And at what point did you uh, drive over to assist him?
Webb
As soon as I saw Max hit the ground, or he collapsed to the ground, and the kids could not handle him, I, we saw it because we had a pretty good view of when he went down...
Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...and we went, it was immediately. pretty quick.
Jones
Okay. You're saying' "we", who was, who was that?
Webb
Me and uh, David Bobb, assistant AD.
Jones
Okay. And where were you at, in relationship to where Max went down?
Webb
We were uh, right by the storage shed, in front, pretty close to in front of the storage shed, on the soccer field side.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
...Right behind uh, one of the soccer goals. We were maybe ten yards behind a soccer goal.
Jones
And you were sitting on a...
It was
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Webb
A gater.
Jones
A gater? What is a gaiter?
Webb
A gaiter is just a uh, uh...transportation to get around campus, it's a two-seat uh, 4/2 uh, tran...transportation around campus.
Jones
Okay. So you drove over to assist Max, uh, and uh, by other uh, people that were gathered around him, and what was, what was done with Max at this time?
Webb
Yes, uh, the, uh, at that time there were a few kids around, was trying' to help get Max up off the field. Uh, they were having' difficulty holding' Max, because he was real sweaty and slippery, and then what we, what I, we had kinda, I assessed the kind of situation that was going' on, you know, Max was, uh, had uh, making' a grunting sound, but he was breathing, you know, he had a pulse, so I automatically thought we had maybe a heat situation here, and uh, uh...I could not pick him up, so two parents came over...Steve Ellis and, and I'm almost positive it was Tim Cowan...
Jones
...Okay...
Webb
...helped assist get Max up. They did like a fireman's cradle to lift Max and lift him in to the passenger seat of the gaiter.
Jones
And, and where was he taken at this point?
Webb
He at that point was taken over to our watering station and...
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Jones
...Okay. And what was done over there?
Webb
We disconnected the hose that, that is hooked up to the, the watering station, and so it had just a direct flow of water, and that was placed on uh, around his neck and at the back of his head where it could just completely run down his body.
Jones
Did Mr. Gilpin ever regain consciousness?
Webb
No, he did not.
Jones
Uh, what was his response to the water and the ice?
Webb
It was the grunting sound continued, uh, it wasn't a real labored breathing, but it was more of a continuous grunt.
Jones
Did, did he have a pulse?
Webb
Yes, he did.
Jones
And he was breathing.
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
But it was, you described it as a grunt.
Webb
A grunt. Yes, sir.
Jones
So CPR wasn't administered at this point. Correct. Correct?
Webb
No, sir.
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Jones
Okay. At what point was EMS notified?
Webb
I'm going to, it, I, I had asked...because I didn't have my cell phone...asked one of the coaches, or one of the people that was around...
Jones
...Um-hmm...
Webb
...to, to call for EMS, for help.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
Uh, within, within five minutes of time of getting Max off that field, we, that's when I had said for somebody to call.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
And uh, and uh, I'm almost positive Steve Deacon was around at that point...
Jones
...Yes, sir...
Webb
.. .and that's who made the call. Okay. Uh, and Max was transported to a hospital by EMS?
Jones
eventually
Webb
Yes, he was.
Jones
Okay. Uh, and uhm, if I can ask this, uh, did Max ever re...did Max get a physical while here, while attending practice, or?...
Webb
Yes, he did. He had a physical back in May.
Jones
Okay.
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Webb
From uh, from Dr. Greg Potts' office.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
And that physical was given here at school.
Jones
And all the players are required to have physicals. Correct?
Webb
Yes, they are.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
In order to, to practice or participate.
Jones
And uh, Max's, what...what, what uh, is he a junior...senior...sophomore, what...
Webb
Sophomore.
Jones
He's a sophomore.
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And is this fa...Max's first year playin'?
Webb
Second year.
Jones
Second year.
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And he is a defee...defensive player.
Webb
Uh, that I'm unaware of, I think he was a lineman, but I don't know if it was offense or defense.
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Jones
...Okay. Okay...Sgt. Butler, you got anything?
Butler
I do. I do.
Jones
Go ahead.
Butler
Uh, when you take the temperature...
Webb
...Yes, sir...
Butler
...at the soccer field...uh, do you relay anything to the, the head coach is responsible at the football for the practice.
Webb
Yes.
Butler
Do you relay anything to him, hey, I got this reading...or take any precautions or, or did he share any of that with you?
Webb
No.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
There was never any communication between each other and, and uh, uh...our, no conversation of what he had done, recorded and, and to what I had, what we had done at the soccer field and recorded.
Butler
Okay. When Max collapses and you move from the gaiter over to help Max...
Webb
...Um-hmm...
Butler
...where do you think the soccer game was at, at that point. You had mentioned that they have 40-minute halves?
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Webb
Yeah, 40-minute halves...uh, they were well in to it...I would say it had to been approaching half-time. I, I would say it was at least 30 minutes in to the game.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
At least 30 minutes, in to the game. But we did not have our score board operating uh, at that time, so I had no true time of how much time was left in, in that first half...
Butler
...Okay...
Webb
...of that particular game.
Butler
Okay. And then you mentioned Antonio Calloway, you saw him being treated?
Webb
Yes, sir.
Butler
Did practice...football practice change in any way that you noticed, or did they continue to run?
Webb
That I do, I cannot say.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
I do not know.
Butler
Uh, and then at some point you see some kids around Max and they're, you say they're walking towards the shade...were they helpin' Max walk?
Webb
Ye...I, it was hard to tell...
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Butler
...or were they, or, or were they...
Webb
...they were all real tightly knit, close together...
Butler
Okay...
Webb
...I couldn't really tell, from what I saw, I basically saw him when he went down. So I couldn't...I couldn't tell if he went down and then the kids tried to grab him..
Butler
...So you had to notice the prac...practice is uh, finishing' up, so it draws your attention. Prior to that, though, if he'd o' fallen before, you...
Webb
I would o' maybe not seen anything. Yes. Yes. Yes...
Butler
Okay. Alright. So when he, when you see Max collapse, he doesn't get back up.
Webb
No, sir.
Butler
Okay. And then you get, you get over to him. At that point...let me back up for just a minute. When they're running' laps, where are the coaches in relation to the kids?
Webb
They are facing them, uh, uh...in the mi...What I could just gather...and I didn't see all coaches, I saw Coach Stinson, looked like he was in the middle of the field...and then I saw some other coaches just kinda spread out. With so many people, it's hard to see all of 'em...
Butler
...Right...
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Webb
..so I don't know who all was there and who wasn't there, but I did see some of the coaches. I did see Coach Stinson was in the middle of the field, facing the players. And, like I said, as stated before, the players were lined up on the sideline close to the girls' soccer field, facing out toward the coaches, out toward the houses, and stuff.
Butler
...Running away from the soccer field.
Webb
Running away from the soccer field. Yes, sir.
Butler
Okay. When you get out to Max on the gater, as soon as you see him fall you all take off for him.
Webb
Yes, sir.
Butler
Are there any coaches around? attending to Max?
Webb
Uh, I did not uh, Steve Ellis had come out there, a parent...there was Bobby Deacon was out by Max, which is one of our assistant football coaches...he was in the proximity uh, uh...to, to where Max had went down.
Butler
Okay.
Webb
Yeah. Now, and I don't honestly, it was a blur to who else was around there. I couldn't tell you who the kids were, I did...Bobby Deacon was out by Max when we were there, uh, when me and David Bobb got out there to them...uh, to him...and uh, uh...that's all I can remember, as far as coaching staff that was around at that
Who's
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point. Butler
Okay. And wrapping' up here, I just have a few more questions. Has anyone tried to influence your statement in any way, shape, or form of the events that happened that day?
Webb
No, sir.
Butler
Okay. And are you aware of anyone trying to attempt to influence any of the players in any way, shape, or form?
Webb
No, sir.
Butler
Okay. And then, and that was kinda brought up...we had a meeting last Wednesday. Correct? Uh...
Webb
Uh, yes, sir.
Butler
There were three folks from Louisville Metro Police and we met with yourself and Principal Dave Johnson...
Webb
...Yes, sir...
Butler
...and explained that, you know, we're conducting a criminal investigation and the players should be treated as potential, potential witnesses.
Webb
... (Inaudible). Yes, sir.
Butler
Okay. Uh, that's all I have.
Jones
I just one follow up. Uh, the soccer game was going' on and was there a lot of spectators
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there? Webb
Yes. There was, was many...we had a soccer game going' on, so we had uh, PRP girls' soccer parents, Wagner soccer parents, pro'bly uh, maybe some boy soccer players were there, 'cause they uh, uh...you know, they come to some of the girls' games...we had football practice going' on...we had parents of football players there at practice...uh, we also, our youth league uses that, that part of that field after our football team gets done, so we had Panther youth parents and kids coming' in as well. So there were several hundred people there, in, in attendance at that particular day. At least.
Jones
Well, I may uh, uh...asked you this, I may asked one of the coaches, but I'll ask you this...is this normal for a practice to have this many people uh, gathered around a practice field doing other i...doing other events?
Webb
Yes. Yes.
Jones
So this is a normal..
Webb
...we, we have a normal, we, we have a normal audience for football practice almost every day.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
We, you know, sometimes by most practice ends, we could have as many as 15, 20 parents watching practice...we have several fathers and stuff that come the whole day and stay the whole day.
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Jones
Okay.
Webb
So uh, it, it does vary...but in the fall it's very common to have a, a, a...large crowd around practice every day. That's where our teams practice...our football team practices every day.
Jones
Okay. Alright, Sir, uh, Mr. Webb, is there anything else we didn't ask, anything else we didn't cover? Do we have follow-up, uh, Sgt. Butler?
Butler
No, I'm fine.
Jones
Okay. Anything else to cover? Anything else we didn't ask you, that you can remember?
Webb
No, not at this time.
Jones
...Anything, anything I left out?
Webb
No, not at this time.
Jones
Okay.
Webb
There’s nothing' left out.
Jones
Okay. And again, you wee, you were aware this interview was being taped. Correct?
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And you gave it on your own free will?
Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
And this in conjunction with the death investigation of Max Gilpin.
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Webb
Yes, sir.
Jones
Okay. Uh, with no further questions we will conclude this interview with Mr. Webb, at 1342 hours.
END OF STATEMENT File #08197ojones-ks
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