Shely, Jacob Ply

September 9, 2008

Start time is 1223 hours on September the 9th of 2008. This is Detective Mickey Cohn. I'm here with...

Cohn

Could I have you say your name and spell it for me, please?

Shely

Jacob Shely. J-A-C-O-B S-H-E-L-Y.

Cohn

S-H...

Shely

...E-L-Y.

Cohn

Okay. And what's your date of birth, Jacob?

Shely Cohn

And what's your address?

Shely

x

Cohn

x

Shely

I don't know, I don't know...we just moved there.

Cohn

Moved? Okay.

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Shely

x

Cohn

x

Shely

Yeah.

Cohn

And do you know a home phone number there?

Shely Cohn

And what...do you have a cell phone?

Shely

Uh, yeah.

Cohn

What's that?

Shely Cohn

Alright. This statement is being tape-recorded. Does this meet with your approval?

Shely

Yes.

Cohn

I am takin' a statement in reference to the events on August the 20th, 2008, that occurred during the PRP football practice. Please describe the events of August the 20th, of 2008, from the beginning to the end of practice.

Shely

Alright. When practice started, we just, we like, we did this little team where we just run, like individuals...and then we went...and then we went to our coaches, ran and got water, and then we did a little drills with our linebacker coach...did a little couple more drills...got, like another water break like 15 minutes after we got our first one...

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Cohn

Um-hmm.

Shely

And then like we would...we did uh, we did, then we just came back and like the linemen, like the whole defense came together, and we just stood like the people wasn't in that sat on the sidelines and they just walked through what to do, like what kind of defense plays to run...

Cohn

Um-hmm...

Shely

...and then after that we got like, pro'bly like 20, 15 more minutes after that we got another water break, then we just uh, and then like, when we'd gone back to do team like to scrimmage each other, that's when somethin' happened...I really don't know what happened...then we just started runnin', and then we ran from there to next practice, and then, after we got done runnin', we didn't get no water break when we was runnin', but then after we got done runnin', he said uh, he said break it down and go over there by the little shade tree...and like a couple people ran over there to get water, and he told them, he said, don't get water right now. 'Cause he's tryin' to talk...but he said, y'all can get water after I get done talkin'. So they came back, they was talkin' to him, and he talked to us, and then he just said clear the field, and that we can leave and then we went to go get water and we just left.

Cohn

Okay. And how were water breaks given up? Are they given up as teams or as groups or individuals...

Shely

Uh, like, it depends like if we are like, you

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know, like linebacker coach, linebacker...like position coaches...

not

Cohn

...Right...

Shely

...then your position coach would give us a water break like at, like every ten...ten minutes. But then we get water breaks like as a team, too. Like when we be doin'...right when we first practice, alright, we stretch...and then we go to like your defense over here, offense over there, and they just run plays...and then like five minutes of that, and then we get water. And then we go to individual...individual to get your water break, you know...

Cohn

Um-hmm...

Shely

...as times goes, and then when we do teams, Coach Stinson gives us water breaks, like as we scrimmage each other, like after we run like couple, you know, couple plays, a lot of plays...then we get a water break as a team.

Cohn

Okay. But y'all didn't, y'all didn't get to the scrimmage point on this particular practice. Right? Is that when...

Shely

No. Like we was about to scrimmage and then that's when it got, that's when we had to run.

Cohn

Okay. Did uh, uh...why do you think uh, why did he make y'all start runnin' instead of you all go on to your scrimmage?

Shely

I think 'cause like, there's like two people on defense already in the huddle...and there's like four people in offense already in the huddle,

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and they were just walkin' everywhere. And that, and that's why he made us run, I'm pretty sure, unless it was somethin' else, but that's what I think, 'cause everybody was walkin'...it was like two people in the huddle, and he done said like come on, y'all get in the huddle and like said like twice or like three, a couple times...and that's when he said everybody get on lines, y'all wanna walk... Cohn

...Um-hmm...

Shely

...then we just run around for the rest of the practice.

Cohn

So ba, it was basically because...

Shely

...No hustlin'.

Cohn

...no, they weren't hustlin' enough so he was a little frustrated...

Shely

...Yeah...

Cohn

...and said, you know, if you're not gonna hustle, then we're gonna run, basically.

Shely

Yeah.

Cohn

Basically? Okay. How many water breaks did you take on the entire day of August 20th?

Shely

Uh, at least four or five. Because like when we, in our, uh, 'cause like sometimes we might take more water breaks than the linemen, it just depends on how, you know, when your coaches like, like some coaches might give a water break every ten minutes, then like a lineback

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coach might give every five minutes, so...'cause like we get water breaks like a whole lot. When, when we went to the linebacker, with Coach Houser, 'cause like we do like, we go through the drill like real, real quick and get water, come back, go through another drill real quick, get water, come back, and then so we five, at least we got at least five water breaks the whole practice. Cohn

Okay. So every position's kinda different, basically.

Shely

Yeah, like, like...at least every position, they at least give you three water breaks, but some positions might get more 'cause it just depends on how they do it.

Cohn

Right. Okay. Now after the last water break, what did the practice consist of? What did y'all do after the last water break?

Shely

that's when we ran.

Cohn

Okay.

Shely

'Cause like we was about to go in teams and that's when the last water break.

Cohn

Okay. When you say "ran", what did, what did y'all run?

Shely

Uh, gassers.

Cohn

Okay. And "gasser" is...

Shely

Sideline to sideline, to sideline, stuff like from, from here to there to there to there to there and

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back, that's one. Cohn

Okay. How many gassers did...alright now, before I go in to that, there's, when y'all are lined up, there's two groups. Right?

Shely

Yeah. Uh, uh...like skills people and like fat boys...

Cohn

Okay.

Shely

That's how they do it.

Cohn

And which group are you in?

Shely

Uh, the skills people.

Cohn

Okay. And how many sprints or gassers did your group do?

Shely

Uh, I don't know, I wasn't really countin'.

Cohn

If you can give a guesstimation...that'd be...

Shely

I'd say at least, it had to at least...10 or 12...around that, 'cause we ran for quite a bit.

Cohn

Okay. How many uh, gassers did you do before you took off your gear?

Shely

Before we took off our gear? Uh, at least five or six.

Cohn

And how many after taking off your gear?

Shely

Like five or six.

Cohn

How long do you think...as far as time-period-

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wise, how, how long do you think you ran the gassers? Shely

Time period?

Cohn

Yeah, like how long of amount of time?

Shely

I'd say at least uh, half an hour, we ran forever.

Cohn

Okay. Seemed like a long time?

Shely

Yeah. That's what it seemed like, a long time.

Cohn

Yeah. But y'all don't wear watches so you don't know exactly...

Shely

Yeah.

Cohn

Did you or any of your teammates ask for water breaks or try to get water during the runner, running of the gassers?

Shely

No.

Cohn

Did you hear anybody ask for water?

Shely

Um-umm.

Cohn

Were people talking amongst themselves, man, I'm thirsty, wish we had a water break...something like that...but nobody specifically went to the coaches, anything like that?

Shely

Yeah, like some of them was like, I'm tired. I wish I had a water break. But not say like, Coach Simpson, can I have a water break.

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Cohn

...Um-hmm...

Shely

But like you could hear 'em like, you know, talkin' to other kids, like, I need some water, stuff like that, but they never said it out loud.

Cohn

Right. Nothin' was specifically brought to the coaches that you heard. Right?

Shely

Yeah.

Cohn

Did you or any of your teammates become ill during...or sick during the running of the sprints?

Shely

You mean like throwin' up?

Cohn

Throwin' up, sick, fallin' out, you know, anything?

Shely

Uh, not me, but like the only person that fell out was Max, and he fell out at the end of it...like when we was done, but Callaway, this one dude...he was uh, he didn't fall out, like, but if you was runnin' real, real hard, Coach Stinson was like, you can go sit down, you done runnin'.

Cohn

Um-hmm.

Shely

And when Callaway was runnin' hard, and he told him to, you know, come out, and then when he came out, that's when he, 'cause he was havin' trouble breathin' so they went over and helped him.

Cohn

Okay.

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Shely

But he didn't have to keep on runnin' 'cause he was done, he was pullin' 'im out and then that's when "Callaway sounded like he had trouble breathin'. But he never run no more after that, though.

Cohn

Okay. Do you know when that was, the beginning, middle, or end?

Shely

Like close to the end.

Cohn

Did you see anybody else throw up or...

Shely

...No...

Cohn

...get sick at all? Nobody else, other than him and Max?

Shely

Yeah.

Cohn

During any of the practices this year, have you personally seen or heard of any teammates being injured or quitting the team?

Shely

What was it again?

Cohn

During any practices this year, have you personally seen or heard of any of your teammates being injured or quittin' the team during the practices?

Shely

No.

Cohn

Has anyone influenced you in any way to withhold information or to change any of the facts that actually occurred during the practice?

Shely

No.

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Cohn

Any coaches or teachers or principals, or anybody tell you to say anything at all?

Shely

No.

Cohn

And is this true, this statement and everything you told me today truthful?

Shely

Yes, sir.

Cohn

Is there anything else that you wanna add to this? Is there anything that you think we should know or anything that you would like to add that we haven't, that we haven't covered?

Shely

No, no, sir.

Cohn

Alright. This concludes our interview. The time is now 12:34.

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