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QUESTIONS GREG BEDNARZ AND JACK SHAW OCOTBER 9,2003 Background of each.

Areas to discuss. Roles and responsibilities via organizational charts. Understand the difference b/w the field and hdqtrs and who got what information Role of the NSU Unit. Role of intelligence. Role of the Lookout Unit.

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Role of counsel's office in special interest cases. Headquarters Operations Center. Headuarters Intelligence Division. _^/7/W«y _»rz*y$*j Policy priorities of the '90s. 0 What were they and how did these priorities affect other resources? What budget resources ever went to CT? Response to CT events of the 1990s. Subsequent to the events discussed below, were any analyses, strategies, or resource allocations put aside or sought? How did INS respond to WTC '93? To PDD-39 in '95? The conspiracy to bomb NYC landmarks in '95? The Brooklyn Bomb Plot of '97? To the Africa bombings of '98?

To Ressam and the millennium plot in late 1 999? At what point did the INS become aware that CT was within the jurisdiction of the INS and a necessary function of the INS? Counterterrorism policy. a. Within INS Who was tasked with CT policy . Li***Who was tasked with CT operations. To what extent did hdqtrs know of CT operations ongoing? Who ever briefed the commissioner on CT policy, programs or operations? Were you aware of UBL as a threat? Did anyone see UBL as a threat and that the INS had a role to play on the borders and in internal enforcement b/c of INS exclusive Title 8 authority? b. Outside INS Who did Commissioner and Deputy answer to on a day to day basis? Was DOJ supportive of INS in CT? Ever discuss CT with INS? *• h J t f U ^ f

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Any interest by Congress in CT?

Any interest of FBI other than involvement in JTTFs and FBI Hdqtrs detailees? The CIA? DIA?

Did the detailees at CIA or FBI ever report back to Meissner or Sales/ or Rooney or Ziglar?

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Thomas H. Kean CHAIR Lee H. Hamilton VICE CHAIR Richard Ben-Veniste

October 7, 2003 Mr. Jack Shaw 12701 Silver Birch Lane Laurel, MD 20708

Max Cleland Frederick F. Fielding Jamie S. Gorelick Slade Gorton John F. Lehman Timothy J. Roemer James R. Thompson

Philip D. Zelikow EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

Dear Mr. Shaw. The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States is directed by statute to investigate the facts and circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including the nation's preparedness for, and immediate response to, those attacks, as well as to evaluate the lessons learned from those attacks and to make recommendations for preventing future attacks. As part of its investigation, the Commission hereby requests to interview you on issues relating to policy, budget, leadership and resource issues regarding internal enforcement of the INS prior to September 11, 2001. The Commission anticipates that classified information may be discussed at this interview. We would also like to discuss your views on the future of immigration and border control policy since September 11 to combat terrorism. Janice Kephart-Roberts, a member of the Commission's professional staff, will make the arrangements for your interview. The Commission would like to conduct your interview at our office located at 301 7th Street, SW, Room 5125, Washington, D.C. on Thursday, October 9 at 2:00 p.m. At least two members of the Commission's staff will attend your interview, and the general policy of the Commission is to tape record interviews. Please call Joanne Accolla at 202.401.1774 as soon as possible to confirm these arrangements and discuss the time and location of your interview. Please call Janice Kephart-Roberts at 202.401.1705 to raise any other questions you may have. Thank you very much in advance for your time and for your cooperation with the Commission and its staff in this important matter. Yours sincerely,

Philip Zelikow Executive Director

301 7* Street SW, Room 5125 Washington, DC 20407 T 202.331.4060 F 202.296.5545 www.9-11 commission.gov

Thomas H. Kean CHAIR Lee H. Hamilton VICE CHAIR Richard Ben-Veniste

October 7,2003 Mr. Greg Bednarz 9/11

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Max Cleland Frederick F. Fielding Jamie S. Gorelick Slade Gorton John F. Lehman Timothy]. Roemer James R. Thompson

Philip D. Zelikow EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

Dear Mr. Bednarz: The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States is directed by statute to investigate the facts and circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including the nation's preparedness for, and immediate response to, those attacks, as well as to evaluate the lessons learned from those attacks and to make recommendations for preventing future attacks. As part of its investigation, the Commission hereby requests to interview you on issues relating to policy, budget, leadership and resource issues regarding internal enforcement of the INS prior to September 11,2001. The Commission anticipates that classified information maybe discussed at this interview. We would also like to discuss your views on the future of immigration and border control policy since September 11 to combat terrorism. Janice Kephart-Roberts, a member of the Commission's professional staff, will make the arrangements for your interview. The Commission would like to conduct your interview at our office located at 301 7th Street, SW, Room 5125, Washington, D.C. on Thursday, October 9 at 2:00 p.m. At least two members of the Commission's staff will attend your interview, and the general policy of the Commission is to tape record interviews. Please call Joanne Accolla at 202.401.1774 as soon as possible to confirm these arrangements and discuss the time and location of your interview. Please call Janice Kephart-Roberts at 202.401.1705 to raise any other questions you may have. Thank you very much in advance for your time and for your cooperation with the Commission and its staff in this important matter. Yours sincerely,

Philip Zelikow Executive Director

301 7lh Street SW, Room 5125 Washington, DC 20407 T 202.331.4060 F 202.296.5545 www.9-1 lcommission.gov

Joanne Accolla From: Sent: To: Subject:

[email protected] Monday, October 06, 2003 3:32 PM [email protected]; [email protected] Fwd: former INS interviewees

DHS-G.Bednarz.doc DHS-J.Shaw.doc (30 KB) (30 KB)

These letters are approved. Forwarded message from Janice Kephart-Roberts <jkephart-roberts@9- llcommission.gov> Date: From: Reply-To: Subject: To:

Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:03:07 -0400 Janice Kephart-Roberts <[email protected]> Janice Kephart-Roberts <[email protected]> former INS interviewees "" <[email protected]>, ""

Steve,

The two interview letters attached are for two former INS officials who ran internal enforcement at INS during the 1990s and up to Sept. 11. I'm told they have thirty years INS experience between them.

Both contacted me seeking to be interviewed. Both are available this week and I'd like to interview them prior to my (and Tom's) interview in NYC on Friday of a former acting commissioner, Mary Anne Wyrsch. If we could expedite these letters, that would be great.

Thanks.

Janice Kephart-Roberts National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States 301 7th Street, SW, Room 5125 Washington, DC 20407 Tel.: 202.401.1705 Fax: 202.358.3124

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