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Debian Bug report logs - #534638 debian-policy: Section about Info documents needs to be updated
Package: debian-policy; Maintainer for debian-policy is Debian Policy List <[email protected]>; Source for debian-policy is src:debian-policy. Reported by: Raphaël Hertzog Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:09:02 UTC Severity: normal Merged with 538665 Found in version debian-policy/3.8.2.0 Fixed in version debian-policy/3.8.3.0 Done: Russ Allbery Bug is archived. No further changes may be made. Toggle useless messages View this report as an mbox folder, status mbox, maintainer mbox Report forwarded to [email protected], Debian Policy List <[email protected]>: Bug#534638; Package debian-policy. (Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:09:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Acknowledgement sent to Raphaël Hertzog : New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Debian Policy List <[email protected]>. (Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:09:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Message #5 received at [email protected] (full text, mbox): From: Raphaël Hertzog To: Debian Bug Tracking System <[email protected]> Subject: debian-policy: Section about Info documents needs to be updated Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:04:49 +0200 Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.2.0 Severity: normal Since the upload of install-info to sid, packages installing info documentation should no more call install-info in their postinst. It is now automatically done by the file trigger provided by the install-info package. You should however explain that info-files must have the required entries (INFO-DIR-SECTION, START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY / END-INFO-DIR-ENTRY) so that they can be registered in the info directory file automatically.
Bugs have been filed about this, example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528864 See http://wiki.debian.org/Transitions/DpkgToGnuInstallInfo for more info on this transition. -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (150, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.30-1-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash debian-policy depends on no packages. debian-policy recommends no packages. Versions of packages debian-policy suggests: ii doc-base 0.9.3 utilities to manage online documen -- no debconf information Information forwarded to [email protected], Debian Policy List <[email protected]>: Bug#534638; Package debian-policy. (Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:30:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Acknowledgement sent to Bill Allombert: Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian Policy List <[email protected]>. (Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:30:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Message #10 received at [email protected] (full text, mbox): From: Bill Allombert To: Raphaël Hertzog , [email protected] Subject: Re: Bug#534638: debian-policy: Section about Info documents needs to be updated Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:22:57 +0200 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 01:04:49AM +0200, Raphaël Hertzog wrote: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 3.8.2.0 > Severity: normal > > Since the upload of install-info to sid, packages installing info > documentation should no more call install-info in their postinst. > It is now automatically done by the file trigger provided by the > install-info package. What about partial lenny to squeeze upgrade ? Lenny does not provide such a trigger. > You should however explain that info-files must have the required > entries (INFO-DIR-SECTION, START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY / END-INFO-DIR-ENTRY) > so that they can be registered in the info directory file automatically. > Bugs have been filed about this, example: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528864 At this point not all programs that generate info files add the above entries, which make hard to comply with that requirement. At least debiandoc2info needs to be fixed. Cheers, -Bill. Imagine a large red swirl here. Bug 534638 cloned as bugs 534639, 534640. Request was from Raphael Hertzog to [email protected]. (Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:30:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Information forwarded to [email protected], Debian Policy List <[email protected]>: Bug#534638; Package debian-policy. (Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:42:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.
Acknowledgement sent to Raphael Hertzog: Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian Policy List <[email protected]>. (Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:42:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Message #17 received at [email protected] (full text, mbox): From: Raphael Hertzog To: Bill Allombert Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Bug#534638: debian-policy: Section about Info documents needs to be updated Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:38:47 +0200 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Since the upload of install-info to sid, packages installing info > > documentation should no more call install-info in their postinst. > > It is now automatically done by the file trigger provided by the > > install-info package. > > What about partial lenny to squeeze upgrade ? > Lenny does not provide such a trigger. We already had this discussion here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528892 The worst that can happen is that they install a new package from squeeze and its info file doesn't appear in the main menu. It's still accessible via "info ". You can add dependency to a newer dpkg or install-info if you care, but it's counter productive. Cheers, -Raphaël Hertzog Contribuez à Debian et gagnez un cahier de l'admin Debian Lenny : http://www.ouaza.com/wp/2009/03/02/contribuer-a-debian-gagner-un-livre/ Information forwarded to [email protected], Debian Policy List <[email protected]>: Bug#534638; Package debian-policy. (Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:24:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Acknowledgement sent to Bill Allombert : Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian Policy List <[email protected]>. (Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:24:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.
received at [email protected] (full text, mbox): From: Bill Allombert [email protected] Message #22
To: Raphael Hertzog, [email protected] Subject: Re: Bug#534638: debian-policy: Section about Info documents needs to be updated Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:22:54 +0200 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 01:38:47AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Since the upload of install-info to sid, packages installing info > > > documentation should no more call install-info in their postinst. > > > It is now automatically done by the file trigger provided by the > > > install-info package. >> > > What about partial lenny to squeeze upgrade ? > > Lenny does not provide such a trigger. > > We already had this discussion here: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528892 Sure but this seems a more proper forum. > The worst that can happen is that they install a new package from squeeze > and its info file doesn't appear in the main menu. It's still accessible > via "info ". But it is still a bug. > You can add dependency to a newer dpkg or install-info if you care, but it's > counter productive. Since clean partial upgrade are a requirement, I do not see how this can be counter productive. Debian policy should not mandate rules that cause
packages to break other rules. Cheers, -Bill. Imagine a large red swirl here. Merged 534638 538665. Request was from Sven Joachim <[email protected]> to [email protected]. (Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:57:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Added tag(s) patch. Request was from Russ Allbery to [email protected]. (Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:21:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Added tag(s) pending; removed tag(s) patch. Request was from Russ Allbery to [email protected]. (Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:33:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request to [email protected]. (Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:33:26 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.
brucelawson wrote: (Is there a thread that's not full of point-scoring and bickering here? It's a repulsive impression that we give to those interested in accessibility, and I'm tired of it.) (I don't read or get involved with many threads on this forum, so maybe I'm missing many which do get personal.) I see people who are honestly challenging the views of others, mine included, but I see that as vigour. That's something from which any worthwhile forum benefits. A forum without opinions would be a dull place indeed and the mindset risks becoming detached, which in turn can encourage a defensive attitude when outsider thinking is put forward. I think the fact that ideas are so often being challenged and countered breaks up that detachment and dispels chances of defensive community thinking. I think the fact that vigour does exist on AccessifyForum - and the willingness to challenge the mainstream - and marginal - ideas is what makes it one of the more worthwhile and vital destinations for people looking to get an insight into the issues surrounding web accessibility. It's only when comments become personal that a line is crossed into something unnecessary and damaging. Again, imo.
Package: debian-policy; Maintainer for debian-policy is Debian Policy List <[email protected]>; Source for debian-policy is src:debian-policy. Reported by: Raphaël Hertzog
Bugs have been filed about this, example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528864 See http://wiki.debian.org/Transitions/DpkgToGnuInstallInfo for more info on this transition. -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (150, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.30-1-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash debian-policy depends on no packages. debian-policy recommends no packages. Versions of packages debian-policy suggests: ii doc-base 0.9.3 utilities to manage online documen -- no debconf information Information forwarded to [email protected], Debian Policy List <[email protected]>: Bug#534638; Package debian-policy. (Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:30:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. Acknowledgement sent to Bill Allombert
Acknowledgement sent to Raphael Hertzog
received at [email protected] (full text, mbox): From: Bill Allombert [email protected] Message #22
To: Raphael Hertzog
packages to break other rules. Cheers, -Bill.
brucelawson wrote: (Is there a thread that's not full of point-scoring and bickering here? It's a repulsive impression that we give to those interested in accessibility, and I'm tired of it.) (I don't read or get involved with many threads on this forum, so maybe I'm missing many which do get personal.) I see people who are honestly challenging the views of others, mine included, but I see that as vigour. That's something from which any worthwhile forum benefits. A forum without opinions would be a dull place indeed and the mindset risks becoming detached, which in turn can encourage a defensive attitude when outsider thinking is put forward. I think the fact that ideas are so often being challenged and countered breaks up that detachment and dispels chances of defensive community thinking. I think the fact that vigour does exist on AccessifyForum - and the willingness to challenge the mainstream - and marginal - ideas is what makes it one of the more worthwhile and vital destinations for people looking to get an insight into the issues surrounding web accessibility. It's only when comments become personal that a line is crossed into something unnecessary and damaging. Again, imo.
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