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Convert inquires: Are the Arabs Muslims? Bad conduct of Arabs disqualifies them as Muslims Poll: Are the Arabs Real Muslims? (3 member(s) have cast votes) DO YOU AGREE WITH DR. HAMID THAT ARABS ARE BAD MUSLIMS? 1. Yes! Hamid has told the truth about Arabs! (2 votes [66.67%]) Percentage of vote: 66.67% 2. NO! Arabs are "top of the line" Muslims (1 votes [33.33%]) Percentage of vote: 33.33% Vote

Hamid Rasool Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:36 AM I certainly am glad that I decided to take a close up look at Islam by going to Pakistan and not Palestine. I have been discerning, alhamdulillah, that these Arabs cannot be Muslims, because if they were, they would be similar to the Pakistani muslims who are producing the "fruits" of kindness, hospitality, faith and humility, but instead the Arabs are just the opposite. It is clear that the Arabs have never read the bible, as the Koran requires of an educated muslim (see 5:45). You can tell that Arabs are ignorant of the Bible because they go by the old jew law of revenge (revanche - sick! unislamic) and not of Jesus' laws of love and forgiveness. Just consider that they are the only "muslims" showing this ick evil visciousness in this sunnie shi'ite schism - new converts like myself are shocked to see that people claiming to be muslims would be doing things like this to one another in the same religion. I accuse you arabs as follows: YOU ARE BIGOTS! YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD'S GIFT TO MANKIND, BETTER THAN THE OTHERS. We know this by the fact that you would never let one of your daughters marry out of the palestinian group, making your group not only bigots but inbreds. THE ARABS DO NOT PROMOTE ISLAM (they will deny this because they will say "well we even invented the word DUWA (preaching)" but look at their conduct: 1. They say that important Pillars of Islam are to go to Mecca and Medina for Hajj and Umrah; and we all know they put your Islamic Qualifications down if you don't use the Koran in ARABIC! All of these things are BAD because they are not done to promote Islam but to promote ARABIA one of the most desloate areas in the Allah's earth!! These things Hajj, Umrah and Arabic are barely in the Koran, you have to search for them! THESE THINGS ARE HOLDING BACK ISLAM because the Arabs are saying that this is what is important in the Koran; but they thereby conceal the real thruth of the Koran which is:! 2. They are not telling anyone what the real truth of the Koran happens to be - that we must fear Allah by obedience to his prohibitions; that we must do good deeds towards our fellow man; that we must have faith in the munificent personality of Allah! If you are saying that Arabic must be used, you are stupid and not a muslim. If you are promoting #1 and not #2 above you are as bad as the Arabs and will surely be barred from the upcoming kingdom

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where we will enjoy life like never before. Why aren't these Arabs telling anyone about paradise and how good conduct, good deeds and faith are what can get us in there;. BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS, THE ARABS PROVE THEMSELVES BY JESUS' TESTING RULE (by their conduct (FRUITS) you will recognize what they are, whether good or bad.) BY THIS TEST, THE ARABS ARE SHOWN TO BE JUST AS MUCH IMPOSTORS PRETENDING TO BE THE MOST PIOUS MUSLIMS AS THEIR SEMITIC COUSINS THE SO-CALLED "JEWS" WHO ARE NO MORE THE ORIGINAL CHOSEN PEOPLE THAN I AM ADOLF HITLER. (see www.nkusa.org and jewsnotzionists.org for the truth about the impostor jews and see how they compare to their cousins the arabs ) Which of you muslims on this "aimislam" communication channel agrees with the above? How can you argue with the facts: ARABS OUT 0F ISLAM! Please sign and copy and past and return: I AGREE WITH THE NEW REVERT DR. HAMID ABOUT THE BAD ARABS!

Ali_Imran Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE ARABS OUT 0F ISLAM! You can not consider ANY Muslim who has pronounced the shahadah out of the fold of Islam.

‫ﺤﺴﻴﻦ؟‬ ُ ‫ﻦ ا َﺑﻨ َﺂُء اﻟ‬ ُ ‫ﻦ اﻟ‬ َ ‫ﻦ اﻟ‬ َ ‫ﺤ‬ َ ‫ﺤﺴﻴﻦ؟ ا َﻳ‬ َ ‫ﺴﻦ؟ ا َﻳ‬ َ ‫ا َﻳ‬ ‫ل ﺑ ِﻜ َﺮﺑ َﻼ َء؟‬ ُ ِ ‫ﻦ اﻟﻄ �ﺎﻟ‬ َ ‫ﺐ ﺑ ِﺪ َم ِ اﻟ‬ ِ ‫ﻤﻘﺘ ُﺆ‬ َ ‫ا َﻳ‬

Hamid Rasool Posted 10 May 2007 - 07:51 AM QUOTE(Ali_Imran @ May 10 2007, 04:45 AM) /index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18366)

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You can not consider ANY Muslim who has pronounced the shahadah out of the fold of Islam.

so the sunnie arab says: "There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God" as he blows up the golden mosque and then the shi'ite says: "There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God" 2 of 12

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as he sets a time bomb in the sunnie mosque to punish them for the ruination of the golden mosque (which was actually accomplished by zionists) and then they both burn, bomb and kill one another with little restraint. this is what these Arabs are doing. Are you one of them, ali_imram? and all these people are muslims? I doubt it. Jesus and Mohammed know better. A muslim is a man who is submissive to God; This submission is demonstrated by action.

SpIzo Posted 10 May 2007 - 12:31 PM Who's Dr. Hamid?

Guest_Cyan_Garamond_* Posted 10 May 2007 - 02:58 PM (http://www.aimislam.com/forums QUOTE(Hamid Rasool @ May 10 2007, 07:51 AM) /index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18368) so the sunnie arab says: "There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God" as he blows up the golden mosque and then the shi'ite says: "There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God" as he sets a time bomb in the sunnie mosque to punish them for the ruination of the golden mosque (which was actually accomplished by zionists) and then they both burn, bomb and kill one another with little restraint. this is what these Arabs are doing. Are you one of them, ali_imram? and all these people are muslims? I doubt it. Jesus and Mohammed know better. A muslim is a man who is submissive to God; This submission is demonstrated by action. Not even all members of the same family are the same or think alike. How, then, can all Arabs or Iranians, Sunnis or Shias have alike character or traits? Please give this a little more thought lest you are guilty of labelling and slandering men/women of God. This post has been edited by Cyan_Garamond: 10 May 2007 - 04:10 PM

Omega Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:20 PM it is not our place to say who is and isnt a muslim, after they say their shahada they are considered muslims. All this means is that they believe in one God and the Messenger. being a good muslims is a different story, an that is left to Allah to judge not us

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:43 PM Based on this 'logic' all Arabs are not Muslim because they are as claimed 'too nationalistic and whatnot' . What if I said that I am 'Arab' and am very much against nationalism . Does that not kill your theory that all Arabs aren't Muslims because they are nationalistic ? If we want to look more into this topic; we can easily prove that many Muslims have contradicted Islam with their actions; Arabs and not alike . Inorder to judge others; shouldn't we be flawless beings first ?

Hamid Rasool Posted 10 May 2007 - 06:28 PM (http://www.aimislam.com/forums QUOTE(Omega @ May 10 2007, 04:20 PM) /index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18381) it is not our place to say who is and isnt a muslim, after they say their shahada they are considered muslims. All this means is that they believe in one God and the Messenger. being a good muslims is a different story, an that is left to Allah to judge not us A good point, brother or sister. It's just too bad that as Islam is now under inspection by the whole world that the Arabs have to take the high ground as if these criminal rebels against Allah are its finest representatives. It does not take a prophet to see who among us is not doing good deeds, or is executing prohibited acts and we need to loudly condemn the ones who are doing these things so that innocent believers studying Islam will not be misled into possibly not even studying Islam. We should direct the world's attention to Free Kashmir, for one example, where the nicest and kindest followers of Muhammed live. Muhammad will be proud of them! I just love the muslims in Kashmir and I can't wait to get back there. Who wouldn't? Kashmiriyat originated there! Love Rasool

Omega Posted 10 May 2007 - 07:51 PM i think there is a huge different between accusing some1 of not being a Muslim, and condemning them. if people are oppressed or rights are violated it is our place to condemn those actions. but it is not our place to say they are not Muslims.

Laraib Posted 11 May 2007 - 06:50 AM Oh my! That's quite a generalization. Some arabs blow up mosques and are violent thus All arabs are violent and blow up mosques... You see the problem there brother? And like everyone said, We're no ones to decide who's muslim and who isn't. As for the poll, I do not agree with either statement. Not all arabs are like you mentioned in your posts and not all arabs are "top of the line muslims". Wasalam

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Inability is a disaster; patience is bravery; abstinence is a treasure, self-restrain is a shield; and the best companion is submission to Divine Will-Imam Ali (AS)

faress Posted 11 May 2007 - 11:50 AM Salam there are good and bad in everywhere . and because this Jomo3ah and due respect to all the Muslims here.. I would have wished to shop your head off you [EDITED] like it or not Arabs are chosen people .like it or NOT Arabic is the language of quraan .like it or not Arabic is the language of heaven. Like it or not teh prophet is Arabian ..LikE IT OR NOT Ahlo al bayet are arabian.. Like it or not we are here living harmony whether as Arabs or persian or others .. Like it or not palistine is no better than punkistan nor pankistan is better than palistine. No an Arab is better than a non except by piety. the problem is that been a shiaa is the problem of many Muslims. because they can not defeat their arrogance and Follow the scripture and those with authority . you sure have a disgusting old game as you've just signed in into this forum. [EDITED] well if palistinians and Arabs had nukes and punkistan was occupied there is no way they will be ignored and left behind. palistininas are left behind ignored ..kicked from their homes ..families separated put in concentration and israeli detention..many do grwo complexed and in pain. yes many of them have bad temper and are away from islam ..but would you blame them or the ones that ignored helping them? Arabs ? palistinians are Not All Arabs just as most Arab countries..ya think every saudi is pure Arab? ya think ussama bin laden is pure Arab? yemen speak Arabic as he is from yemen but Are they pure Arabs? Faresi are not Arabs are they compared to Arabs by faith or by mother tongue? [EDITED] I wish that I made some since otherwise try..take your wives you and your convert friends to israeli soldiers and preach them Love and hapiness whilst you are watching. and forgive them when they shoot your kids in front of you. you are lucky this is internet and this is Friday. what do you expect Arabs to do ..they are teared apart ..instead you should Lokk not only to negative attitude but also help revive teh nation and Ummah ..because even a stnky palistinians won't let you down if you come saying I'm Muslim help me. but I guess some people just don't like to be shiaa of teh truth.and abide by islam boundaries and banner. Forgivness their members and readers but this post is an example of the bias and propaganda led against our Ummah add hatred that meant to be amongst sunnis and shiaa and our other various beautiful combinations and races that Islam is proud of as whole

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ummah. May Allah swt protect us from evil and haters and evil doers and preachers of things that they don't do . [Modnote: Please refrain from using abusive language. The OP made this topic to debate his preception. His preception is not something which is written in stone rather his thoughts which could have change however by taking the attitude you have done you have made it clear to the OP what his topic was about. How about debating sensibly and using manners rather than degrading the discussions with insults] This post has been edited by A Follower: 12 May 2007 - 05:09 PM

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Warning if you Do not Say reply Salam ,I may Say Shalom. faress Posted 11 May 2007 - 12:16 PM DOHA, May 10, 2007 • Jewish spiritual leaders (rabbis) have not been silent on the issue of ill-treatment of the people of Palestine by Israel, a rabbi from New York said yesterday. Roland Matalon said, intervening during discussions at an international inter-faith dialogue here yesterday, that accusations that rabbis have been moot spectators of the atrocities being committed on Palestinians by Israel are untrue. "The rabbis have never been silent on this issue. We have been talking about the sufferings of the people of Palestine. We are for restoring their dignity. We want two states existing side by side where the Palestinians and Jews could live in peace as neighbours," said Matalon. "We are not only praying for this to happen. We are working towards this end." He was responding to comments made by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Dr (Sheikh) Tayseer Rajab Al Tamimi that while Israel was perpetrating atrocities on innocent Palestinians and killing old men, women and children, the rabbis have been watching the gory goings on in silence. Justice has so far not been done (to Palestinians), Matalon admitted responding to Al Tamimi's accusations. The discussions were being held after a panel of experts spoke of the role of mysticism in burying the differences among the follower of the revealed faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) and bringing them together. Speakers included Dr Souad Al Hakim, from Lebanon; Joseph Ehrenkrenz, from the US;

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David Lazar, from Israel; John Taylor, from the US; and Jerald Whitehouse from Venezuela. Professor Saad Harib, from the UAE; and Dr Mohamed Ben Breika, from Algeria, were the moderators. A number of ideas to encourage mysticism (which remains overshadowed by materialism) were floated so as to help curb extremism and among them was to begin cultural exchanges between Israel and Palestine and people-to-people dialogue. Lazar, in his address, suggested that a beginning to help narrow the yawning MuslimJewish divide can be made if Muslims begin learning the basics about Judaism and vice versa. He said he had five daughters and all of them study the Holy Quran and Bible, aside from their own religious holy book. "Let's make a beginning," he said. In remarks to this newspaper later, he said that the Doha Conference has proved quite fruitful since it provides an opportunity for Muslim, Christian and Jewish religious leaders to interact. One-to-one meetings between delegates representing the three different faiths have been taking place on the sidelines of the convention on sensitive community and religious issues and on how to further dialogue, especially between Muslim and Jewish leaders. "We will keep in touch with one another through e-mail and personal visits. This is important," said Lazar. "I am feeling quite at home here. Last year (during the last inter-faith dialogue), it was my first visit to an Arab country, so I was a bit nervous," he said.

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Warning if you Do not Say reply Salam ,I may Say Shalom. Hamid Rasool Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:38 PM YIPPEE! WE BAITED ONE BUT GOOD THERE, DIDN'T WE! HA HA HA HA HA! Hamid

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:54 PM Faress: I'm a Vietnam Veteran so watch your talk about shutting off my head. You and what army proposes to do that to me? I'm not a private in the United States Army for nothing, so watch your bad talk. Try reasoning. Everybody knows you have a right to fight back against the so called "Israelite" zionists because of their daily acts of war and everybody knows that America is equally guilty for always backing them whether they are right or wrong and they couldn't do it without America, so that America makes itself an ordinary war target too so relax, and peace be upon you please, people are starting to see what's happening. Let God's vengeance be God's bro; you might have inadvertently killed the apostle Paul with that attitude since he started as an opposer, besides, when we take vengeance on someone they might "receive their payment in full" so that Allah may not bother with them anymore so be kind to them and, from the jew-book it says that to do so will rake hot coals on their heads. Dr. Hamid Rasool (Pete Amschel, Hemet)

Sumaiya Posted 12 May 2007 - 05:26 PM (http://www.aimislam.com/forums QUOTE(Hamid Rasool @ May 12 2007, 12:54 PM) /index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18472) Faress: I'm a Vietnam Veteran so watch your talk about shutting off my head. You and what army proposes to do that to me? I'm not a private in the United States Army for nothing, so watch your bad talk. and who is to watch your bad talk? Before asking others to watch their language, i suggest you look at yourself. You obviously dont know any, or atleast very many, arab people to draw upon these conclusions. Having lived all over the world - i can tell you now, in an Arab country, with arab friends, that i feel much more happier, safer, secure and comfortable than i did spending 8 years in America. Everything you have said thus far in this thread, I find completely and utterly absurd; and more than anything...racist. Know that every culture has its faults - arabs have their faults in their societies, but they also have some good qualities that even I aspire to have some day. I guess thats the beauty of having lived all over the world. I am able to watch, observe and annalyze people and their cultures; and use it towards self development. My question to you is; what is your intention on bringing upon such a lousy and racist thread? One that is not even based on fact, or popular opinion for that matter - instead its one based upon ignorance. I ask you to redefine, and requestion yourself - taking into the consideration the things mentioned already by other members. If your intent in making this thread is to merely spark contriversy and put down a certain group of people, then I'm sorry, this is not the place to do it. this is offensive, silly and more than anything immature...grow up vietnam boy ha - and no offense intended

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 08:36 PM Salam You know why Allah swt have chosen us Summaya ? because we have no Racist attitude as majority of Children of Ismael Father of Mohames sw and SON OF Abraheem peace upon him. we are supposed to fight for other people's freedom and hear and obey Allah swt so the message can be spread and we have No control over people's decisions. Yet because we don't we have to Go through This Dramatic scene and Mockery . and No one will care if we get hurt in most times because we are The chosen ones and we are no suppose to fail.if we do than the price is High. There will and shall be Time Sooner or Later Inshallah that our enemies will colapse either by our hands or their own hands or simply Allah's wrath. They Mock the life of our people and destroy us one by one. such the country of yet we wait for a savior be he a strong ally and enemy this Jocker Eh Jocker peace upon you too viet veteran ....your thread is Full of hatred and bias and streotype but yet you have A muslim name was that your pass into here ..you know I'm not offended ..you think I droped a Mask whilst you did See Bingo Jocker. ,) Anyways I have the right to go off Like that innit ? you are insulting my whole Race . and willing to ask us to use the bible of Love and let the Crusaders and Zionists be Punished in the other Life because here they will be Punished in full if we do it by our hands ? We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). According to the Qur'an, killing a person unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all humanity. (See 5:32.)

Brother Follower Thank you for the Clarification but I hoped you and your team spare a closer look to the other side as well because I'm sure that The Arabic Race didn't matter if it was insulted on your site or not to be concidered a reasonable offence .. however if the Jocker from viet Army is not disguised my pleasure is fulfilled .. and Peace upon you all . Pss No woories if faresies or Other Races are insulted here we surely wouldn't leave you behind without protesting . “Those who suppress their anger, and forgive other people – assuredly, God loves those who do good.” (Quran 3:134) The Prophet said: “The believers with the most perfect faith are those with the most perfect conduct and manners. And the best ones amongst you are those who are best to their families.” (Al-Tirmidhi) The Arab Mohamed And The Arabic Quran:“Surely, you (O Muhammad) are upon a high standard of moral character.” (Quran 68:4)

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God also said: “Indeed in the Messenger of God you have a beautiful example of conduct to follow.” (Quran 33:21) As for the Supremist Power of distruction: “…why then did they not believe with humility? But their hearts became hardened, and Satan made fair seeming to them that which they used to do.” (Quran 6:43) “Have they not traversed through the land, and have they heart with which they perceive, or ears with which they hear? Indeed it is not the sight which is blinded, but rather what is blinded is the hearts which are in the breasts.” (Quran 22:46)

and those who forsake The Truth including me Ameen. “And those who desire Guidance, He (God) will increase them in Guidance, and inspire them with [the way to] piety.” (Quran 47:17)

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Warning if you Do not Say reply Salam ,I may Say Shalom. A Follower Posted 12 May 2007 - 09:21 PM I suggest both of you Hamid and Faress take a look at the Sermon of the Prophet [pbuh] on his Last Pilgrimage. Maybe then you would stop boasting about your arab pride and the other being discriminating against the Arabs. And Faress, the Prophet [pbuh] and his family were sent to Arabia before the advent of Islam not because Arabian people were good mannered or had great characteristics rather it was the wisdom of Allah through which He sent his Prophet to Arabia. The people of Arabia at the time were in the age of ignorance and indulged in many many bad vices. --------------------------------------------------------------------------O People Listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the

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month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to. All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefor, do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listened to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------I hope that is clear for both of you.

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Bilaal Posted 12 May 2007 - 10:30 PM The original post was ridiculous and doesn’t deserve a discussion. Thread locked.

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