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,. Job description of INS Lookout Chief, (reviewed 7/25/03 at NIC) 1 . Describe liaison relationship with DOS TIPOFF, including how typically the TIPOFF "hit" process would work V* i

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3. Previous to TIPOFF, how did INS get terrorist related information?

4. When was the first TIPOFF MOU signed with State? What were its key elements of importance to INS? 5. Did the MOU have any drawbacks for the INS?

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6. What were the successes INS achieved with TIPOFF? (Please provide data.) 7. Were the problems resolved with the 1999 MOU with State? Place 1999 MOU in record. (Apparently this MOU provided the INS with more criminal TIPOFF data. Were there other changes as well?) 8. TIPOFF information was downloaded into what INS database? fejAIL* or TECS) 9. What TIPOFF information did INS receive? JWcxU-'AJL&.

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11. Were any lookbacks ever conducted in the Lookout Unit: \. How many CT aliens got in despite .beina in a lookout?

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b. How many CT aliens were stopped? s^~ c. The sept. 11 hijackers? Request lookouts for thefWcord. We don Y have them—only post 9/11. (Tell us the story of what happened with the watchlisting, and when inspectors and internal enforcement agents would first have had available the watchlist information on: i. Al Hazmi ii. Al Midhar)

d. What kind of statistics were kept by the Lookout Unit? Background of Lookout Unit.

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4. Did the Commissioner's office ever make direct inquiry into the Lookout Unit in any way? 5. Did Congress? The FBI? Main Justice? CIA?

6. Bob Neighbors. What were his dates of service? Jf\ 2. - CSu^.' When did he come back as a consultanjxand what was his job? Where is he now? 7. If you had had resources and management ability to do as you wished with the Lookout Unit in the 1990s and predating Sept. 11, how would the lookout Unit have been structured?

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Revision of State Department's Automated TIPOFF System — Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: 1 . Purpose. To provide a copy of the final version of the revised MOU, with an explanation of its effect, and to request that it be widely distributed with field officer personnel. 2. Discussion. The revised MOU expands TIPOFF system input from exclusively terrorists, to include organized crime figures. 3. Recommendation. Approve the memorandum. Upon signature, it will be distributed by the action office. CONCURRENCES* NAME Louis Nardi Kenneth Elwood Michael Pearson

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* On approval and signature, please return to action officer for reproduction and distribution C:\ANTITERR\TIP-RD.RTE

U.S. Department of Justice Immigration and Naturalization Service

HQOPS50/5.11-P Office of the Executive Associate Commissioner

425 I Street NW Washington, DC 20536

MEMORANDUM FOR REGIONAL DIRECTORS FROM:

Michael A. Pearson Executive Associate Commissioner, Office of Field Operations

SUBJECT:

Revised Memorandum of Understanding Department of State Automated TIPOFF System

Attached for your information and review, you will find a copy of a recently revised memorandum of understanding (MOU) between the Department of State (DOS), the U.S. Customs Service (USCS), and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). This MOU relates to DOS's automated TIPOFF system. That system is the intragovernmental repository for terrorist information that feeds the DOS consular lookout system, CLASS; the USCS lookout system, TECS II; and the INS lookout system, NAILS. The MOU revises the language of a previous version to incorporate updated practices and procedures. More importantly, it expands the TIPOFF system beyond terrorism, and authorizes the entry of data relating to organized crime suspects, initially from territories of the former Soviet Union, and internationally thereafter. The language is the result of negotiations and discussions among and between the signatory agencies, and those intelligence agencies of the Federal Government that provide the predicating data to the Department of State. The changes will be transparent to users of TIPOFF data - primarily, Immigration Inspectors at ports of entry throughout the United States. They will continue to access it via the NAILS system, and on-line screens will continue to provide users with instructions and points of contact in the event of a hit. Please distribute this memorandum and the MOU as widely as possible with district, sector, suboffice and port of entry managers within your respective areas of jurisdiction. Attachment

CC: Official file copy HQCOU/ENF (All staff) HQOPS/ENF/NSU (All staff) HQOPS/ENF/SCO (All staff) HQOPS/INP (Attn: Carrier Affairs/Lookout Unit) HQPGM/INP HQPGM/INV TIPOFF W/F INS:HQOPS/NSU:WDCadman:05/FEB/99 REVISED:INS:HQOPS/NSU: WDCadman: 12/MAR/99 C.TIP-RD.DOC

UNITED STATES CUSTOMS SERVICE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE DEPARTMENT OF STATE, BUREAU OF INTELLIGENCE AND RESEARCH Memorandum of Understanding Implementation and Use of fne TIPOFF Systems of Records at Ports of Entry To enhance security at all Ports of Entry (POEs) and to alert inspectors to the possibility that certain aliens seeking to enter the United States may be persons who have engaged or may in the future engage in acts of terrorism or international organized crime, the U.S. Customs Service (USCS), the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), and the Department of State, Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) hereby agree to use the TIPOFF Systems of Records (TIPOFF) in the manner prescribed in this document. I. Introduction As a matter of national security, and to enhance enforcement of the immigration and customs laws of the United States, there is a recognized need to make more information available to inspectors at POEs, particularly as it relates to terrorism and international organized crime. INR through its TIPOFF Office maintains separate classified terrorist and international organized crime databases, herein referred to as TIPOFF. (For the purpose of this Memorandum this includes TIPOFF-Terrorism and TIPOFF-Crime.) These databases have been identified as sources of terrorist and international organized crime information that will support this need at POEs. INR serves as manager of the systems and, under circumstances prescribed in a separate MOU with the proprietors; INR may serve as representative of the proprietors. Neither TIPOFF system should contain records relating to aliens who are lawful permanent residents of the United States. If notified by INS of the existence of any such records, INR will remove those records from the TIPOFF systems. II. Statement of Purpose As in all matters concerning national security, it is imperative that common procedures be observed and adhered to. This agreement documents those procedures and the working relationship among the undersigned that will ensure adherence to the procedures. The procedures have three primary objectives as follows: A. Alert inspectors at POEs to the possibility that a person seeking admission may be a terrorist or a person engaged in international organized crime and may pose an imminent danger. B. Alert the Intelligence and Law Enforcement Communities that an applicant for admission in whom they have an interest is seeking entry into the United States.

C. Positively identify and place the applicant for admission in secondary inspection for a reasonable period until a determination can be made regarding the appropriate disposition of the applicant for admission. III. Agreement 1. TIPOFF is an INR-controlled repository for terrorist and international organized crime information that is derived from various Intelligence Community (1C) and Law Enforcement (LE) sources, known herein as "proprietors." INR agrees to extract the following portions of the TIPOFF databases and to provide them to INS and USCS: Name; date of birth; country of origin; passport number; and code designator (lookout record) (hereinafter referred to as "TIPOFF records"). Each member of the 1C and LE supplying TIPOFF information is considered to be the proprietor of that information and reserves the right not to release any classified record in its entirety. 2. INR and the proprietors understand that INS is limited in its enforcement actions by the nature and extent of the information provided to INS. INR and the proprietors further understand that when the information provided is properly classified under the applicable Executive Order (at the time of signing, this is E.G. 12958, found at 60 F.R. 19825, April 20, 1995), this information can be utilized by ENS in camera and ex parte. When the information provided is not classified however, any use of it by INS will be in open proceedings and the alien will have the opportunity to review and rebut the information provided, even if it is law enforcement sensitive. 3. The proprietors understand that USCS will not initiate any enforcement actions based solely on the nature and extent of the information released. The proprietors also understand that USCS will not initiate any enforcement actions based solely on TIPOFF records, but will refer all TIPOFF subjects to INS. 4. USCS is responsible for ensuring that the records supplied to the Treasury Enforcement Communications System (TECS) are properly and accurately entered through the use of data quality standards, and for maintaining safeguards to prevent any unauthorized disclosures of the data by USCS employees. INR agrees, and all proprietors understand, that all authorized users of TECS will have full access to TIPOFF records in TECS. 5. INS is responsible for ensuring that the records supplied to the National Automated Immigration Lookout System (NAILS) are properly and accurately entered through the use of data quality standards, and for maintaining safeguards to prevent any unauthorized disclosures of the data by INS employees. INR agrees, and all proprietors understand, that all authorized users of NAILS will have full access to TIPOFF records in NAILS. 6. INS will be the sole action agency when a TIPOFF applicant for admission is encountered. In the event that local INS is not available, USCS will contact INS Headquarters. USCS will also notify the local INS Port Director or INS District Office. 7. INS agrees to maintain a 24-hour duty officer available through their Headquarters to act as the single point of contact for TIPOFF records, and as liaison to INR. INR agrees to maintain a 24hour duty officer available for contact by the INS duty officer regarding TIPOFF subjects. If deemed appropriate by INS, INS will notify the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of a TIPOFF applicant. 8. All communication of classified information between the INS duty officer and INR will be through approved, secure means.

9. Based on information released orally either through INR or directly by the proprietor, the INS duty officer will direct the initial disposition of the applicant for admission without communicating classified or law enforcement sensitive information to the POE. 10. INR agrees that, within a reasonable amount of time, in no instance to exceed 8 hours, after contact by the INS duty officer, INR will provide INS, by the most expeditious secure means, any information in its custody relative to the applicant and not subject to the "Originator Control" (ORCON) rule or other caveats limiting the dissemination of intelligence or law enforcement sensitive information. Subsequently, INR will provide to the proprietors) of the information: a) Data on the applicant as supplied by INS; and, b) All pertinent information contained in the applicable TIPOFF record(s). INR will attempt to expedite the establishment of direct communication between INS and the proprietors. 11. INR and all proprietors understand that, if a proprietor cannot commit, within eight (8) hours of the initial contact between the INS duty officer and INR, to providing additional information to INS in support of its enforcement action, INS may permit the applicant for admission to enter the United States. When a proprietor declines to provide information to INS relating to a TIPOFF subject on whom there was a hit (other than a silent hit), the proprietor will communicate this decision in writing to INS within seventy-two (72) hours, stating the rationale for such denial. This paragraph does not obligate any proprietor to provide any information to INS unless it so chooses, in which case it will abide by the time standards contained herein. Neither does this paragraph obligate INS to pursue any proceedings on the basis of any information provided by any proprietor. 12. INR and all proprietors understand that sufficient information to permit INS properly to assess its enforcement action, including whether to detain the subject of a TIPOFF record, must be forwarded to INS in writing within a reasonable time. This information must be provided to INS within seventy-two (72) hours from the commitment given under paragraph 11, above, so that INS may have a sufficient evidentiary basis for taking an enforcement action. The proprietors and signatories to this MOU all understand that the written documentation ultimately used against the TIPOFF subject may differ from the initial documentation provided within the seventy-two (72) hour period. 13. In the extraordinary circumstance that the proprietor, after initial advice pursuant to paragraph 11 that information will be provided, determines that it is in fact unable to release information to INS, the proprietor will immediately communicate the reconsidered decision orally to INS, and in writing within seventy-two hours of the initial advice, stating the rationale for its reconsideration. 14. In an effort to provide INS with adequate lead-time to prepare for a probable enforcement action, when a proprietor receives credible information that an individual in the TIPOFF database plans to travel to the United States, the proprietor, consistent with the need to protect sources and methods, will promptly notify INR. With proprietor authorization, INR will then immediately advise INS and the other members of the TIPOFF community, i.e., the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the National Security Agency, of the planned travel. 15. Declarations will be obtained from all applicants for admission whenever possible and, when possible, searches will be conducted jointly by USCS and INS.

16. When the USCS has submitted a name with accompanying identifying information for inclusion into the TIPOFF database, and that individual subsequently applies for a visa or arrives at a POE, INR will promptly advise the USCS of such an event. 17. When a TIPOFF subject is referred to INS for a secondary inspection, INS agrees to submit the subject's name to the USCS for a TECS record check. As appropriate, the USCS will then provide INS any information on a TIPOFF subject's previous Customs violations and advise of any current USCS investigative interest. 18. TIPOFF records in TECS and NAILS will be considered "Sensitive But Unclassified" (formerly "Official Use Only"). USCS and INS agree to comply with appropriate administrative provisions related to the handling of information obtained through TIPOFF. 19. The information in TIPOFF is covered by the ORCON rule. USCS and INS agree not to discuss, disseminate, or disclose data without the prior knowledge and consent of the proprietor. This rule applies to all TIPOFF records obtained through TECS, NAILS and the Service Lookout Book (SLB). 20. INS will designate personnel to review TIPOFF records at INR for the purpose of determining (a) whether the information is sufficient to justify entry into the NAILS lookout system, and (b) how terrorist and international organized crime suspects and supporters should be coded in the TIPOFF databases to designate those who may pose an imminent danger at POEs. INS will ensure that designated personnel have the appropriate security clearances. 21. INR agrees to provide a copy of this document to all proprietors contributing information to TIPOFF. 22. INS and USCS agree to notify all proprietors of all pending litigation in Federal court, in which the potential clearly exists for an order requiring INS and USCS, respectively, to release any TIPOFF information, to the extent that INS and USCS are aware of such litigation. IV. Term of Agreement This agreement supersedes and replaces the agreement signed in June 1991 and will be effective from the date of execution by all signatories until terminated by 30 days' written notice from any signatory to the other signatories. If not terminated, the results of this agreement will be evaluated at the end of each one (1) year period that it remains in force, if requested by a party hereto. This agreement may be altered as provided below. This agreement will not affect any other agreements entered into between USCS, INS, and INR, unless provided by the specific terms of any such agreements. If this agreement is terminated and the undersigned are signatories to other agreements with the same agencies, any such agreements will remain unaffected by the termination of this agreement. V. Revisions, Amendments, and Modifications Revisions, amendments, and modifications to this agreement may be made at any time by a written request from any signatory which is approved by the other signatories. Such changes shall become effective upon the date of approval by all signatories.

VI. Authority and Jurisdiction Nothing in this agreement is intended to restrict the authority of any signatory to act as provided by law, statute, or regulation, or to restrict any agency from enforcing any laws within its authority or jurisdiction.

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Phyllis^ Oakley / Assistant Secretary of State Bureau of Intelligence and Research

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HAIR: EYES: HEIGHT: INS. WEIGHT: LBS . SCARS/MARKS: CANCEL DATE : 8/09/2066 PERM ) INITIAL COMMENTS: ESCORT TO INS SECONDARY. DETAIN ISOLATED. IMMEDIATELY CALL INSPECTOR NEIGHBORS @ (202) 514-4034 (24 HOURS) . CALL IS MANDATORY WHETHER OR NOT THE OFFICER BELIEVES THERE IS AN EXACT MATCH. ADVISE THE PERSON ANSWERING THE PHONE THAT YOU HAVE A CASE CODE ** TIP ** LOOKOUT INTERCEPT. 7 PF4 -RETURN PF7-SEND MESSAGE PF9 -ADDITIONAL INFO PF11-TABLES CLR-EXIT PRESS PF9 FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND LOOKOUT INFORMATION

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Zlad: same telephone # as AI-Hamzi, Salam. Visa credit card number 4343030519140680. E-mail address: HZI2002eyahoo.com. CAOL #02416698. Same address In Lemon Grove as ID #301, #302, #303, #304. Alhazml and Hanjour flew on NW airlines flight #7190 from LV to MN. They then connected with NW airlines flight #17640 which arrived at BWI airport In Maryland. Travel arrangements for these subjects were made via the Internet through Travelocity of San Antonio. Texas ID #351102.; PPN: 8673987. Went to Pilot Training School at Jet Tech International, Phoenix, AZ from 1/01 - 3/01 with ID*70 Hani Hanjour. •photograph in file." Telephone #619-697-8808 listed for the Lemon Grove address. Bank of America Debit Card #4217-6612-8077-0545.

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NTC discussion with Tim Goyer, former chief of INS Lookout Unit on July 25,2003. INS Lookout Unit had three functions: 1. Liaison with DoS's TIPOFF. APIS data would come in the morning. Lookout Unit would match APIS list to TIPOFF. Where matches, would call DoS TIPOFF unit, ask why in TIPOFF, would get record holder information (usually NSA or CIA), and make determination with INS attorneys as to whether individual had enough negative information to place in a lookout. (Information could range from clear terrorist affiliations to a known rock thrower in a demonstration.) 2. Direct the Carrier Consultant Program. INS helped to train carrier personnel on legitimate documentation, with FDL assisting in devising training for private sector, and "train the trainer" programs. Training occurred through INS overseas offices. Program initiated under IIRIRA. 3. Direct the National Fines Office. Penalized carriers who failed to comply with US laws on valid entry, e.g. permitting passengers to board planes without valid documents.

Joanne Accolla From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject:

Brown, Daniel [[email protected]] Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:30 AM Joanne Accolla Janice Kephart-Roberts RE: FW: dates for Tim Goyer interview

Looks like Tim Goyer's interview will be at the Reagan building. Can you tell me who will be coming from the Commission to the interview so I can let CBP know? Daniel Brown Department of Homeland Security Office of the General Counsel (202) 692-4239 phone (202) 772-9735 fax Original Message From: Joanne Accolla [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:11 PM To: Brown, Daniel Cc: 'Janice Kephart-Roberts' Subject: RE: FW: dates for Tim Goyer interview Dan, we would prefer to interview Mr. Goyer here in DC.

Thank you.

Original Message From: Brown, Daniel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:12 PM To: Janice Kephart-Roberts; [email protected] Subject: FW: FW: dates for Tim Goyer interview 10/1 at 2:00 works for the Tim Goyer interview. Do you mind going out to the NTC interview or would you rather it was here in DC?

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Daniel Brown Department of Homeland Security Office of the General Counsel (202) 692-4239 phone (202) 772-9735 fax

Original Message From: Goyer, Timothy J [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:06 PM To: Brown, Daniel Subject: RE: FW: dates for Tim Goyer interview I'm in Reston at the Nat'1 Targeting Center—that would be best for me, pis let me know if they are willing to come here. Tim

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Where do you want to do the interview? At the Regan building? Daniel Brown Department of Homeland Security Office of the General Counsel (202) 692-4239 phone (202) 772-9735 fax Original Message From: Goyer, Timothy J [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:53 AM To: Brown, Daniel Subject: Re: FW: dates for Tim Goyer interview

Can do. Tim

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Hi, does 2:00 on 10/1 work for you?

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FW: dates for Tim Goyer interview

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Original Message From: Janice Kephart-Roberts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 29, 200310:30 AM To: Brown, Daniel Subject: RE: dates for Tim Goyer interview

How about 10/1 at 2 pm?

Original Message From: Brown, Daniel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 26, 20033:40 PM To: Janice Kephart-Roberts; [email protected] Cc: Mitnick, John Subject: dates for Tim Goyer interview

Hi,

How about 10/1 or 10/3, (anytime is available) to interview Tim Goyer?

Daniel Brown Department of Homeland Security Office of the General Counsel (202) 692-4239 phone (202) 772-9735 fax

Thomas H. Kean CHAIR

DHS INTERVIEW REQUEST NO. 3

Lee H. Hamilton VICE CHAIR

Richard Ben-Veniste Max Cleland Fred F. Fielding Jamie S. Gorelick

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (the "Commission") requests interviews with the following Department of Homeland Security personnel during the weeks of September 29 and October 6, 2003. Please provide a proposed date, time, and location for each interview no later than September 24, 2003. The anticipated length of each of these interviews is three hours.

Slade Gorton

l.DanCadman(ICE) John Lehman Timothy J. Roemer James R. Thompson

Philip D. Zelikow EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

2. Tim Goyer (CBP) 3. Gary Bradford (BCIS) 4. Maurice Berez (BCIS) We anticipate that these interviews will involve the discussion of classified information. The Commission reserves the right to reinterview these individuals based on the results of the requested interviews and the needs of the Commission. August 29, 2003

Daniel Marcus General Counsel

TEL (202) 331-4060 FAX (202) 296-5545 www.9-11 commission.gov

Joanne Accoila From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject:

[email protected] Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:48 PM [email protected] [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; dcampagna@9-11 commission.gov DHS interview request no. 3

DHS interview request no 3.doc...

Dan: Attached as a Word document is DHS interview request no. 3. Janice Kephart-Roberts at 202-401-1705 with any questions about this request, and call Joanne Accoila at 202-401-1774 to schedule these interviews. Feel free to call Dan or me as well if any issues arise. Thanks. Steve

Please call