Ronan Lyons Daft.ie Presentation To Isne 2008

The Foxrock, Dishwasher & Gonzaga Effects Modelling Ireland’s property markets

Irish Society of New Economists 2008

Friday, October 10th,

Ronan Lyons, Economist, Daft.ie [email protected]

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Outline of the Presentation Who are you?

What are you doing here?

When will you stop?

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First, I want to catch you out 

Quick survey – which contains the more expensive properties? Foxrock

or

Blackrock

Ballsbridge

or

Ranelagh

Howth

or

Sutton

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Unbeknownst to most, house prices are falling 500

National Dublin Other cities Rest of country

450 400 350 300 250 200 2005

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2008

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There’s too much sloshing around the market 2007

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But rents are holding up OK, right? Oh… 105

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Didn’t he just show this? Oh, this is the rental market 14000

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Tell me something I don’t know 

How does one go about modeling the Irish property market?

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The whole thing is really quite straightforward regress lprice rm1 D2TBar Docklands West_Centre ht1_rm1 ht3_rm1 ht45_rm1 ht6_rm1 beds1_rm1 beds2_rm1 beds4_rm1 beds5_rm1 rm2 d5artane d5other d7cabra d7phibstoney d7other d9bmont d9drumc d9santry d9other d11glasn d11finglas d13baldon d13howthsut d13other d17coolock d15cknock d1517other ht1_rm2 ht3_rm2 ht45_rm2 ht6_rm2 beds1_rm2 beds2_rm2 beds4_rm2 beds5_rm2 rm3 d4sandym d4other d6RRR d6dartmill d6west d8liffey d8other d10bfermot d12crumlin d12drimnagh d12other d14rathf d14dundrum d14other dublin16 d24fhouse d24tallaght d24other ht1_rm3 ht3_rm3 ht45_rm3 ht6_rm3 beds1_rm3 beds2_rm3 beds4_rm3 beds5_rm3 rm4 Skerries Rush Lusk Donabate Swords Malahide Pmarnock Near_city NW_county ht1_rm4 ht3_rm4 ht45_rm4 ht6_rm4 beds1_rm4 beds2_rm4 beds4_rm4 beds5_rm4 rm5 City_Coast Stillorgan_etc DunL_etc Killiney_etc Sandyford Far_South_Co Leopardstown_etc Dublin_Mountains ht1_rm5 ht3_rm5 ht45_rm5 ht6_rm5 beds1_rm5 beds2_rm5 beds4_rm5 beds5_rm5 Tyrellstown Clonee Clonsilla Ongar Palmerstown Lucan_adam Chapelizod Clondalkin Mid_M50 SW_Dublin ht1_rm6 ht3_rm6 ht45_rm6 ht6_rm6 beds1_rm6 beds2_rm6 beds4_rm6 beds5_rm6 rm7 Cork_sub Cork_comm ht1_rm7 ht3_rm7 ht45_rm7 ht6_rm7 beds1_rm7 beds2_rm7 beds4_rm7 beds5_rm7 rm8 Galway_sub Galway_comm ht1_rm8 ht3_rm8 ht45_rm8 ht6_rm8 beds1_rm8 beds2_rm8 beds4_rm8 beds5_rm8 rm9 Lim_suburbs ht1_rm9 ht3_rm9 ht45_rm9 ht6_rm9 beds1_rm9 beds2_rm9 beds4_rm9 beds5_rm9 rm10 ht1_rm10 ht3_rm10 ht45_rm10 ht6_rm10 beds1_rm10 beds2_rm10 beds4_rm10 beds5_rm10 rm11 ashbourne dunboyne_clon trim laybetty LN_MH_n kells MH_nt Maynooth Celbridge Leixlip Kilcock naas KE_tn newbridge LN_KE_s athy KE_nt greystones bray WW_tn LN_WW_s arklow WW_nt drogheda dundalk LH_nt ht1_rm11 ht3_rm11 ht45_rm11 ht6_rm11 beds1_rm11 beds2_rm11 beds4_rm11 beds5_rm11 rm12 p_arlington LS_nt athlone mullingar WH_nt tullamore edenderry OY_nt LD_t lford_nt ht1_rm12 ht3_rm12 ht45_rm12 ht6_rm12 beds1_rm12 beds2_rm12 beds4_rm12 beds5_rm12 rm13 enniscorthy newross gorey WX_nt KK_c kkenny_nt CW_t CW_nt ht1_rm13 ht3_rm13 ht45_rm13 ht6_rm13 beds1_rm13 beds2_rm13 beds4_rm13 beds5_rm13 rm14 killarney listowel KY_nt tram_dung WD_nt mall_midl macr_band bantry ckilty ymcf cork_nt ennis shannon CE_nt newc_west LK_nt ros_nen_thr clonm_TPt TP_nt ht1_rm14 ht3_rm14 ht45_rm14 ht6_rm14 beds1_rm14 beds2_rm14 beds4_rm14 beds5_rm14 rm15 tuam loughrea clifden galway_nt castlebar ballina westport MO_nt RN_t RN_nt SO_c SO_nt carrickos LM_nt ht1_rm15 ht3_rm15 ht45_rm15 ht6_rm15 beds1_rm15 beds2_rm15 beds4_rm15 beds5_rm15 rm16 bb_stran DL_nt CN_t CN_nt mon_cmacross MN_nt ht1_rm16 ht3_rm16 ht45_rm16 ht6_rm16 beds1_rm16 beds2_rm16 beds4_rm16 beds5_rm16 bb1m bb2m bb32 bb3m bb41 bb4m bb51 bb5m rm1feb rm2feb rm3feb rm4feb rm5feb rm6feb rm7feb rm8feb rm9feb rm10feb rm11feb rm12feb rm13feb rm14feb rm15feb rm16feb rm1mar rm2mar rm3mar rm4mar rm5mar rm6mar rm7mar rm8mar rm9mar rm10mar rm11mar rm12mar rm13mar rm14mar rm15mar rm16mar, hc3

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Honestly! You just have to think in 5D regress lprice … rm2 d5artane d5other d7cabra d7phibstoney d7other d9bmont d9drumc d9santry d9other d11glasn d11finglas d13baldon d13howthsut d13other d17coolock d15cknock d1517other ht1_rm2 ht3_rm2 ht45_rm2 ht6_rm2 beds1_rm2 beds2_rm2 beds4_rm2 beds5_rm2 … bb1m bb2m bb32 bb3m bb41 bb4m bb51 bb5m … rm2feb … rm2mar …, hc3

Legend: Basic Location House type Bedrooms Bathrooms Time

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Tell me something I don’t know 

How does one go about modeling the Irish property market?

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We can start to find out just how much people value certain aspects of their house

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The Foxrock Effect… Three-bedroom semi-detached house, two bathrooms, Q3 2008 Mini-market

Average price

Premium over Lucan

(Posh!) Dublin 4

€926,571

188%

(Non-posh!) Dublin 4

€564,493

76%

Sandymount

€882,599

175%

Dublin 2 / Temple Bar

€844,536

163%

Rathmines, Rathgar, Ranelagh

€798,679

149%

Dartry, Milltown

€783,526

144%

Dun Laoghaire & close-by

€739,240

130%

Killiney

€704,120

119%

Blackrock

€670,295

109%

Dublin 14

€666,975

108%

Howth, Sutton

€648,223

102%

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The dishwasher effect… 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0 -10 -20 -30 -40 2006 q1

2006 q3

2007 q1

2007 q3

2008 q1

2008 q3

Garden Microwave Dishwasher Dryer Washing Machine Cable TV Alarm Heating Parking

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The Gonzaga effect Location detached 

4-bed semi-d

South Dublin €1,094,956

5-bed

Premium

€742,669 29.5%

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Top 10 rank school €961,389

€1,417,426

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Rank 20-50 school

€746,155

€1,100,096

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Dearest (€4000+)

€817,133

€1,204,742

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Tier 1 (combination) €909,282

€1,340,602

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Tier 2 (combination) €780,909

€1,151,335

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0.5% 10.0% 22.4% 5.1%

I didn’t just make it up… Location

4-bed semi-d

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South Dublin

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Top 10 rank school <1km 1-2km Rank 20-50 school <1km 1-2km Dearest (€4000+) <1km 1-2km Tier 1 (combination) <1km 1-2km Tier 2 (combination) <1km 1-2km

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5-bed detached Premium

€742,669 €861,963 €765,558 €774,709 €772,330 €855,575 €756,628 €865,534 €759,006 €805,412 €739,131

€1,094,956

€1,270,838 €1,128,702 €1,142,195 €1,138,687 €1,261,419 €1,115,537 €1,275,836 €1,119,043 €1,187,462 €1,089,829

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16.1% 3.1% 4.3% 4.0% 15.2% 1.9% 16.5% 2.2% 8.4% -0.5%

Hopefully I caught at least one person out 

Quick survey – which contains the more expensive properties? Foxrock

or

Blackrock

Ballsbridge

or

Ranelagh

Howth

or

Sutton

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Tell me something I don’t know 

How does one go about modeling the Irish property market?



We can start to find out just how much people value certain aspects of their house



So just how screwed is our property market?

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Houses for sale, per 1000 people

Probably best to stay clear of Leitrim condos… 35 30 25 2007 01 2008 07 Throughput

20 15 10 5 0 Dublin

Leinster

Munster

ConnachtUlster

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Property earns less than a Rabo account 4.0%

3.5%

3.0%

Dublin

2.5%

Other Cities Rest-of-country 2.0% 2006 q1

2006 q2

2006 q3

2006 q4

2007 q1

2007 q2

2007 q3

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2007 q4

Let me just take out my crystal ball… The Low Road 

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The Middle Road

The High Road

 US housing market  Aggressive Fed cuts US housing market crashes & growth remains in lull and revitalize US housing stops, world economy drags Ireland’s down market and economy, enters recession, and with it, but overall with knock-on effects Ireland’s housing strength of global for Ireland’s property market and economy economy keeps and exporting sectors mirror the US Ireland’s exporting  Net migration into sector growing Net migration into Ireland steady to high  Ireland stops Net migration into Production of about 10 years’ supply in 3/4 years places downward Ireland steady pressure on average rents to a greater extent than house prices, which are more determined by confidence, and rent outcomes depends on net migration  By end-2009: By end-2009:  10% further rise in  By end-2009: 10% fall in rents rents  5% further rise in  5% net rise in house 20% further fall in rents house prices prices  10% further fall in house prices

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If we had the choice, which road would we take? 4.0%

3.5%

3.0% High road

2.5%

Medium road Low road

2.0% 2006 q1

2006 q2

2006 q3

2006 q4

2007 q1

2007 q2

2007 q3

2007 q4

2008 q4

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2009 q4

Thanks!

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