City of Georgetown, Texas Historic and Architectural Review Commission Meeting Minutes Thursday, August 27, 2009, at 6:00 p.m. City Council and Courts Building 101 E. 7th Street, Georgetown, Texas 78626 Members Present: West Short, Chair; J.C. Johnson; Will Moore; Larry Moseley; Ron Pergl; and Dee Rapp Members Absent: Susan Firth Also in attendance: City Council members Pat Berryman, Dale Ross and Bill Sattler. Staff Present: Robbie Wyler, Historic District Planner; Valerie Kreger, Principal Planner; and Karen Frost, Recording Secretary The Historic and Architectural Review Commission is responsible for hearing and taking final action on applications, by issuing Certificates of Design Compliance based upon the City Council adopted Downtown Design Guidelines. This is a regular scheduled meeting of the Historic and Architectural Review Commission, for consideration and possible action on the following: Regular Session: To begin no earlier than 6:00 p.m. Chair Short called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes non‐controversial and routine items that the Commission may act on with one single vote. A Commissioner or any member of the public may request that any item from the Consent Agenda be pulled in order that the Commission discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. The Historic and Architectural Review Commissionʹs approval of an item on the Consent Agenda will be consistent with the staff recommendation described in the report, unless otherwise noted. 1. Review and possible approval of the minutes from the July 23, 2009 regular meeting. 2. Consideration and possible action on a request for a Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to a Master Sign Plan at City of Georgetown, Block 27, Lots 1 ‐ 8, also known as Tamiro Plaza, located at 501 S. Austin Avenue. (CDC‐ 2009‐030) Commissioner Moore, Chair of the Sign Subcommittee requested that item number two be considered by the entire commission as a regular agenda item. Item number two was discussed as a regular agenda item. Motion by Moore to approve the minutes as written. Second by Rapp. Approved 6 – 0.
Regular Agenda: Chair Short opened Item number 2. Wyler presented the staff report for 501 S. Austin Avenue, Master Sign Plan Amendment request. On October 30, 2008, a HARC approved Master Sign Plan for the Tamiro Plaza office building was approved. This approval included conditions for each tenant on signage placement and allowances. Merrill Lynch, occupying half of the 1st Floor, was given space on a monument sign as well as ten‐inch white lettering on the green sign friezes above each of its business windows. Merrill Lynch, the applicant, has stated that the legal corporate trademarked logo used worldwide cannot be altered. The existing conditions of the Master Sign Plan prohibit the company from using the corporate logo and disallow the type of signage proposed. The applicant seeks Certificate of Design Compliance approval for additional signage to be added to the exterior of Tamiro Plaza. An LED illuminated wall‐mounted sign is proposed directly above a first floor window on both the Austin Avenue and 5th Street sides of the building as shown in the application packet. Each sign will measure eleven (11) feet wide by 2.6 feet tall and will be white with a black outline of the corporate bull logo to the left of the business name. The plate where the letters and bull logo are will be painted red to blend into the red brick of the building. The applicant believes this will reduce the visibility of the sign outside of the letters and bull logo. A diagram detailing how the sign will be attached and wired to the building has been provided along with details on the location, size and color of the two signs. Guidelines used to review this application were 9.4, 9.5, 9.13, 9.14, 9.15, 9.17, 9.18, 9.20 & 9.21. Staff did not make a recommendation of approval or denial. Short asked Wyler for clarification that the applicant intended to use both the signage in the green frieze and the illuminated signage above. Wyler stated the applicant is not asking for both, only the illuminated signs on each corner of the building. Robert Berryman, manager of Merrill Lynch in Georgetown came up to answer questions. Original lease items signed by Merrill Lynch asked for both signs. He stated the leasee thought that had been approved. He said the corporate logo of Merrill Lynch is regulated and approved by the securities industry and that they have to approve the size of the bull logo, the lettering following the logo and the spacing surrounding the lettering and logo. He stated that meant the green frieze panel is not available for their use since the lettering could only be three inches tall with the restrictions. Commissioners asked questions. Rapp asked if the picture representing just the lettering of “Merrill Lynch” was accurate and could that be used without the bull logo. Mr. Berryman stated the bull logo had to be used with the lettering. She asked if the documentation of the Master Sign Plan, stating the restrictions of using the green frieze area and the monument sign only, were accurate and if he had been given that information as stated. He responded that he was not in on the lease
negotiations, that Merrill Lynch was undergoing ownership changes at that time, and that he understood that the signage under the lease allowed him the extra signage. He did not realize the problem until later and approached the owner about the situation. Moore questioned the request letter to HARC from Merrill Lynch stating that lettering that small size would require a variance from “our regulating authorities”. Berryman stated it would be impossible to get the New York Stock Exchange to give them a variance. Moore asked if that was an option. Berryman stated he did not think the signage would be effective even if they could. Berryman described the illuminated sign in greater detail. Short questioned the portion of the building that Merrill Lynch would be occupying. Berryman explained that they would occupy most of the first floor. Short questioned who was actually applying for the additional signage. Wyler explained that the owner of Tamiro Plaza was actually applying for the amendment, as he was the one that was issued the existing approved Master Sign Plan. However, Merrill Lynch as the tenant, was given approval by the owner to apply for the amendment. Short asked about future tenants and whether they could ask for amendments too. Wyler suggested that a condition might be placed on the approval if the commission does not want any other amendments. Short questioned staff’s lack of recommendation in the report. Wyler explained that this was a special case since under other circumstances, this signage would be considered as stand alone signs and could be recommended. But since this signage was not part of the approved Master Sign Plan, staff could not recommend changing the regulations. Johnson stated that if he could be assured that Merrill Lynch was going to be the only tenant in the building, he would think the sign was an appropriate sign. But since there is an approved Master Sign Plan, and this was not the first request for an amendment to that Plan, he did not feel he could support this amendment. There were too many tenants that could have corporate requirements as well and there would be too many signs on the building, which he felt was not a good prospect. Wyler stated there was not a current regulation that would prohibit any number of tenants from applying for additional amendments. The only regulation is the square footage of signage per building frontage. There was discussion among the Commissioners about the placement of the illuminated signs. Troy Johnson, another representative of Merrill Lynch, spoke to the placement of the signs. He explained that the signs would be placed above the windows, within the brick “frame” and that the bull logo and the “y” from Lynch would extend beyond the frame on the bottom and left sides. The brackets would extend the sign beyond the brick detail. He confirmed part of the brick frame and detail would be obscured, but that the top and right side of each area would be left visible.
Rapp asked that if the applicant was given a compromise of additional white vinyl lettering, above or below the green friezes, would that work? Berryman and Johnson both stated that putting signage on their front window was not an option. Short stated that a letter had been sent by the absent Commissioner Susan Firth. Wyler read her comments. Those comments are attached at the end of the minutes. Short called for any public comment. There were no comments forthcoming. Motion by Short to approve the Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to the Master Sign Plan of Tamiro Plaza, with the condition that no other signage be permitted on the first story windows of the space occupied by Merrill Lynch. Motion died for lack of second. Motion by Johnson to deny the Certificate of Design Compliance for an amendment to the Master Sign Plan of Tamiro Plaza and that the existing Master Sign Plan is reaffirmed. Second by Moore. Approved 5 – 1. (Short opposed.)