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RUSSELL ALLEN NORDYKE and SALLIE ANN NORDYKE, dba TS TRADE SHOI/üS,JESS B. GUY, DUANE N. DAVIS, TASTANA VüERTYSCHYN,JEAN LEE, TODD BALTES, DENNIS BLAIR, R.L. (Bob) ADAMS, ROGER BAKER, MIKE FOURNIER and VIRGIL McVICKER, Plaintiffs,
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MARY V. KING, GATL STEH,E, W]LMA CHAN, KEITH CARSON, SCOTT HAGGERTY, the COUNTY OF ALAMEDA, and the COUNTY OF ALAMEDA BOARD OF SUPERVISORS,
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DEPOSIT]ON OF IGNAT]US H.
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sacramento, catlrornia Friday, March 17, 2006
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IGNATIUS H. CHINN, taken Esquire
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March Il,
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LAVüOFFICES OF DONALDKILMER
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BY:
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Ignatius of
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Cal-ifornia,
Chinn: Department
of
AL]SON Y. MERRILEES,
Deputy Attorney
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P. O. Box 1"60481
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LAURIE D. LERDA, a Certified and for
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personally
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Thatthe OrdinanceCodeof the Countyof Alamedashallbe amendedby revisingSection 9.12.120to readas follows: 9.12,120Possessionof Firearmson County PropertyProhlblted ' (a) findsthatgunshotfatatitiesand inJuriesare of Flndlngs. The Boardof Supervisors in AlamedaCounty. Duringthefirstfiveyearsof the 1990's879 epídemicproportions usingfirearms,and an additional1,647victimswere homicideswerÊ'committed hospitali4ed wlthgunshotinjuries. Firearmsarethe leadingcauseof deatharnong young'people betweenthe agesof 15 and 24 In AlamedaCounty.BetweenJuly1, 1996 and June30, 1997,136juvenileswerearrestedin Oaklandfor gun-relatedoffenses.On July4, 1998a shootingIncidentonthe AlamedaCountyFairgrounds resuftedin several gunshotwounds,otherinjuriesand panicamongfqirgoers. Proh[biting the possession of firearmson Countypropertywíllpromotethe publichealthand safetyby contribut¡ng to the reductionof gunshotfatalitiesand injuriesin the County. (b)
on Countypropertya Misdemeanor.*aO personwhcibringsontoor possesses gullty for a firearmis firearm,loaded'orunloaded,or ammunition of a misdemeenor..
'(c) ' -Counþ Propert¡1.As usedin thissectlon,the termCountypropertymeansroal . '.:. property,includingany buildingsthereon,ownedor.leasedÞy.t¡eCounty.of Alameda .(hereinafter and in the County'spossassion, "Countyr), or in the possessionof.apublic or privateenti$ undercontractwiththe Countyto performa publicpurpose,includin$but . not limítedto real propefi ownedor leasedby theiCountyin the unlncorporatedand portionsof the County,suchas the Countyparkín Sunoland the Alameda incôrporated ' . CountyFairgrounds In the.Cityof Pleasanton, but doesnot inclúdeany "local.publíc bulldlng'asdef¡nedin PenalCodeSectlon171b(c),wherethe Stateregulates . possession of firearmspursuantto PenalCodeSectlon171b. (d) .
Firearm. "Firearm'isanygun,pistol,revolver,rifleor any'device,designedor modified to be usedas a weapon,fromwhichis expelledthror.rgh a barrela projectileby the force 'Flrearml doesnot include'imitation of an explosionorotherformof combustion. CodeSectíon53071.5. firearmeor BBgunsand air rifles'asdefinedin Goverriment
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ATTEST:CRYSTALK. HISHIDA,Clerk of the Boardof Sup'ervisors, Countyof Alameda Approved o$ fo Form
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