QUEENSLAND BUSHWALKERS CLUB Inc. Newsletter
74 Kallista Rd. Rochedale South QLD 4123 Email
[email protected] Phone No (07) 3341 7509 www.geocities.com/qldbwc
August 2007
Mt Cordeaux View
Club News Pilgrimage 2007
Maria Lanari's Farewell
24-26 August 2007
8 July 2007
Registration for the Pilgrimage has been open for almost a month now and quite a few registrations have been received from our own members and from various clubs.
A large group of us met at the Grey Gum Picnic area, Mt Coottha Forest, on a chilly cloudy Sunday morning for brunch to farewell Maria who is returning to her homeland Argentina.
There is still room for many more and we urge all our members to get their registration in early. This will help the committee in planning and catering for the event. As an extra incentive to register early, the cost of registration is lower than if you register on the day.
The early risers met with Noelene and walked some tracks including the Powerful Owl Trail to work up an appetite for bar b que sausages and hot coffee and sweet treats.
Registration forms will be available at the Club meeting or you can download it from the Pilgrimage web site at http://au.geocities.com/qldpilgrimage/
Maria was an active member for 3 years and with her bush knowledge led many walks. She will be missed and we wish her well with her new career and hope to see her again back visiting us one day. Lynn N.
On the weekend of the Pilgrimage many members have volunteered to help with the walks, food, logistics and the cleaning and preparation of the site. However a few more are needed especially on the Saturday. If you are not doing one of the many walks and would like to assist, please see Patricia Kolarski or ring her on 3341 7509. The Pilgrimage web site has been recently updated with details of the planned walks. There is also information on alternative accommodation if a member does not wish to camp, plus information on places to eat round Kalbar. Inside the Newsletter are more details about the Pilgrimage. Please come along and make this Pilgrimage an enjoyable one.
Christmas Party Date Claimer 30 November - 2 December Keep Friday, 30th November to Sunday 2nd December 2007 clear in your diary, as the QBW Christmas Party will be held at Camp Constable at Mt Glorious on those dates. Accommodation will be in cabins and rooms only, with no tent sites available. We will have the use of the Activities Hall for the weekend. Walks are planned for the Saturday. The theme this year will be to come as your Favourite Movie Character. Prizes, games, slide shows and a whole heap of fun will be on the agenda.
The club presented Maria with a pictorial book of Australiana to remember us by.
Maria's email address is
[email protected]
Comings and Goings Maria L. is flying home to Argentina via South Africa where she will meet up with some friends and visit some of the National Parks there. John M has just returned from Alaska and in a couple of weeks he departs again, this time for Lapland. He certainly has the travel bug and loves the adventure travelling. Good luck John. Fran M is in Honduras doing volunteer nursing working with children in the hospital and orphanages. Fran returns to Australia early August.
Membership Form/Renewal Membership is now due and all members will have received a Renewal Form either at the Club meeting or in the mail. Members have until the end of August to renew their membership or risk having their membership cancelled. On the Membership Forms we are now asking everyone to nominate an emergency contact person in case a walk is delayed or any other incident.
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General Information
The Management Committee
Meeting Place
President
Helen McAllister
3844 8464 (H)
Club Meetings are held on the first Tuesday of each month at the East Brisbane State School, corner of Stanley Street and Wellington Road, starting at 7:30pm. No meetings in January.
Vice President
Gary Woodward
3245 2695 (H)
Secretary
Lynn Nicol
3219 6228 (H)
Treasurer
Bob Gur
3345 3971 (H)
Outings Officer
Patricia Kolarski
3341 7509 (H)
Membership Officer
Lynne Cavanagh
3376 5053 (H)
Tea/Coffee and cake/biscuits are provided after the meeting. A coin donation would be appreciated.
Editor
Richard Kolarski
3341 7509 (H)
Membership
Social Secretary
Danuta Gur
3345 3971 (H)
Training Officer
David Rae
3395 1838 (H)
There is parking within the school grounds off Wellington Road. Consult a street directory, as there are a number of one-way streets in the area. There is also parking in Wellington Road.
Before a visitor can go on a walk, he/she must be a Member (Probationary or Ordinary) or be a member of an affiliated club. Membership of QBW lasts till the end of the Club’s financial year which is on the 30th of June each year.
Probationary Membership A non-member automatically becomes a Probationary Member on his/her first walk after signing the waiver form. There is no fee payable to become a Probationary Member. However a Probationary Member must become an Ordinary Member on his/her 2nd walk by filling out a membership form and paying the membership fee.
Ordinary Membership A person may become an Ordinary Member by filling out a membership form and handing the form to a committee member or walk leader and paying the membership fee. An Ordinary Member has the right to vote at an AGM or be elected to a committee position. A Probationary Member has neither of these rights.
Members of Another Bushwalking Club Members of another bushwalking club affiliated with the Queensland Federation of Bushwalking Clubs or another State Federation are covered by the same Insurance as QBW. It is not necessary for them to become a member of our Club to go on our walks.
Other Voluntary Positions Equipment Officer
Trevor Davern
0411 512 202
Supper Convenor
Margaret Smith
3886 3342 (H)
Federation Rep
Kerry de Clauzel
3209 7146 (H)
Federation Rep
Richard Kolarski
3341 7509 (H)
FMR Rep
Frank Bowling
0419 715 719
FMR Rep
Barbara Makepeace
0421 784 783
Campsite Monitors Barbara Makepeace
Ratatat Hut Mt Barney Spicer’s Double Peak Saddle
Kerry de Clauzel
Throakban Lower Portals
Richard Kolarski
Running Creek Falls
Ann Kemp
Spicers Peak
John Brunott
Ballows
Creature Feature
Equipment for Free Use By Members Compasses
EPIRBs
GPS's
Topo Maps
Emergency Lights
First Aid Kits
Sunmap CD’s
UHF Radios
Contact David at 3395 1838 or
[email protected]
Equipment for Hire Abseil Gear
Back Pack
Contact Trevor at 0411 512 202 There is a $5.00 charge for use of the Club rope and another $5.00 charge for use of harness and accessories. There is a $5.00 charge for hire of the back pack.
Paul Getting A Warm and Fuzzy Feeling
Paul was recently seen getting friendly with a cuddly Yeti while overseas. Well gentlemen do prefer blondes!
Equipment for Sale New Members
Bivy Bags $3.00 each or 2 for $5.00 These bivy bags are 2 metres by 0.9 metres and are bright orange in colour. Use as a pack liner or emergency bivy bag.
Greg Burton
Club Polo Shirts S size left only
Liming Su
$20.00 each
Space Blankets $2.50 each. Light weight and take up no room at all. A must for all walkers!
Linda Reid
Thomas Krichel Heather Smart Julianne Urquart
Jiandong Zhang As at 31/7/2007 we have 61 financial members
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Insurance 2007-08
Training Quiz
QBW's Public Liability and Personal Accident Insurance has been renewed for this financial year through Bush Walking Australia (BWA) which represents over 21,000 bushwalkers round Australia.
This Month’s Questions and Answers A) How do you find the Grid Bearing from a map?
The Insurance Officer for BWA, Howard Tooth, has again negotiated a better deal compared to last year. Here is a summary of his report and the major changes from last year.
Place the compass on the map with the edge of the compass along the line of travel. Ensure the Direction of Travel Arrow points in the direction of travel, of course. In the photo below we wish to go from Peak 1094 to Peak 880.
Liability Insurance The premium has been reduced mainly due to no claims being reported under the Liability policy. Liability premium
$3.95 per member ($4.75 – 2006)
The Limit of General Liability remains at $10,000,000 for any one Occurrence. In addition, the Limit of Indemnity provided under the Errors and Omissions Endorsement has been increased from $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 to ensure that Club Leaders, Training Officers and the like are appropriately covered. Personal Accident The number of accidents occurring on club walks throughout Australia resulting in injury and a claim has been increasing over the last few years. In the last twelve months there has been a substantial increase in the cost of claims, which has forced an increase in the premium rate. Personal Accident premium $5.30 per member ($3.90 – 2006) The policy has been extended to include Critical Incident Debriefing. The purpose of the cover is to provide counseling and assistance to members who may become traumatized as a consequence of having witnessed a critical incident involving another member/s whilst engaged in an approved club event. The cover will be subject to a limit of $5,000 per member. Activities Covered Bushwalking Track/Hut Construction/Maintenance Caving Canyoning Liloing Abseiling Skiing Alpine Walking (summer & winter) Canoeing Kayaking Boating Rafting Swimming Cycling Rock Scurrying Use of hand held ropes Orienteering Rogaining Leader Training and other related instructions where no fee is charged other than to recoup expenses Voluntary Work for various Charities and not for profit organisations. Note: Any club activities which include Abseiling, Snow Skiing and Caving are subject to the member club arranging for members participating in the activity to sign a Waiver or Acknowledgement of Risk in relation to that activity. Activities Not Covered The activities which are not covered under the Liability Policy: Rock Climbing Water Skiing
Mountaineering Animal Riding
Vale Maria
Going From Peak 1094 to Peak 880
Note that the bottom edge of the compass is lining up Peak 1094 and Peak 880 with the Direction of Travel Arrow going from Peak 1094 to Peak 880. Now keeping the edge of the compass along your line of travel, rotate the compass housing until the “N” is pointing towards North on the map and the Orientating Lines are parallel to the north-south running lines, ie the eastings. The Grid Bearing can be read at the Index Line. In the case above it is 400. B) How do you convert the Grid Bearing to a Magnetic Bearing and vice-versa? Grid bearings measured on a map must be converted to Magnetic bearings for compass navigation on the ground. To convert a Grid bearing to a Magnetic bearing, subtract the Grid/Magnetic angle. The Grid/Magnetic angle can be found usually at the bottom right of a map. In south-east Queensland the Grid/Magnetic angle is about 100. Thus the Magnetic bearing in the case above is 300. An easy mnemonic to remember is Grand Ma Sucks (GMS). That is, to convert from Grid to Magnetic, Subtract. To convert from a Magnetic bearing to a Grid bearing, Add the Grid/Magnetic angle to the Magnetic bearing (MGA). Note: If magnetic north is east of grid north, Grid/Magnetic angle is a positive value. If magnetic north is west of true north, Grid/Magnetic angle is a negative value. Next Month’s Question: What is a Back Bearing and what can it be used for?
For Sale 1 X Two Man Salewa tent
$160.00
1 X One Man tent
$80.00
1 X 90 litre Expedition2 backpack
$220.00
1 X 50 litre waterproof bag
$50.00
Ring Steve on 3800 3963
Maria Receiving her Gift at the Farewell Brunch
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Pilgrimage 2007
Pilgrimage Walks
Date: Friday 24th August to Sunday 26th August 2007
On Saturday 25 August over 20 walks will be available. Here is a list of some of the walks available: th
Venue: Kalbar Showgrounds Cost:
$25.00 per person if paid before 24/8/2007. $30.00 per person if paid at the event. No charge for children 12 years or younger.
How To Register: Fill in the Registration Form and send with the correct payment to: Pilgrimage 2007 Registration 74 Kallista Rd., Rochedale South QLD 4123 Pre-payment can only be sent by mail. Pre-pay by cheque or money order. Please do not send cash by mail. Cheques are to be made payable to Queensland Bushwalkers Club Inc. Your registration will be confirmed by email or by phone. A receipt will be issued when you attend the Pilgrimage.
Mt Goolman Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading M44 5 hrs 350m approx
Mt Castle Circuit Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading L68 9 to 9.5 hrs 515m
Mt Cordeaux and Bare Rock Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading M33 5 hrs 400m approx
Mt Mathieson Circuit Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S43 3.5 hrs only slight
Mt May Circuit Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S55 6 hrs 600m approx
Mt Greville, up Waterfall/down Palm Gorges Grading S55 Walk Time (including Breaks) 5-6 hrs Height Gain 600m approx
Registration Forms: Available at Club meetings or can be downloaded from the Pilgrimage web site at http://au.geocities.com/qldpilgrimage/ or email
[email protected] Theme: The theme for the Pilgrimage is Half and Half. Dress up half formally and half with bushwalking clothes for the Bush dance Saturday night. Camping: There is a large camping area for tents. Campervans and caravans can also be accommodated but there are limited power sites available. Powered sites will be allocated on a first come basis on the day. What your Registration Fee entitles you to: Camping at Kalbar Showgrounds on the Friday and Saturday nights. Supper Friday night. Walks organised by the co-host clubs. Light supper Saturday night. Bush Band and dance Saturday night. Bushwalker Breakfast Sunday morning. The Games Sunday morning. Coffee and Tea available all weekend. Other organised activities such as the slide show, yoga, orienteering exercises etc. Showground Facilities Large hall with a camp kitchen. BYO cups, plates and cutlery. Tables and chairs.
Spicers Peak West Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading M55 6.5 hrs 350m
Mt Greville North Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S87 7 to 8 hrs 700m approx
Mt Maroon via The Cave Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S56 7 to 7.5 hrs 590m approx
Mt Cordeaux Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S22 3.25 hrs 400m
Mt Mitchell Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S33 3 hrs 400m
Mt Edwards via Dam Wall Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S33 3 hrs 534m
Wilsons Peak Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S54 5 hrs 450m
Wilson's Creek Circuit Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading M66 8.5 hrs 800m
Mt Fraser Walk Time (including Breaks) Height Gain
Grading S44 5.5 hrs 475m
For a fuller description of the walks go to http://au.geocities.com/qldpilgrimage/walks2007.html
Hot showers and toilet blocks. Night-time lighting.
Walks sign on sheets will be available from 7.00pm on Friday 24th August at the Pilgrimage.
What To Bring
How to Get There
Warm sleeping bag and warm clothes to wear at night. We expect the weather to be cold. There will be braziers available at night time for those wanting to gather outside. The slide show on the Friday night will be in the showground's hall.
Via the Cunningham Highway. There is a road sign indicating the Kalbar turnoff 13 kilometres past Warrill View heading south (3 kilometres before Fassifern).
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Your own cups, plates and cutlery. A camp kitchen will be available in the hall and there will be a couple of BBQ's available outside the hall for cooking.
Via the Ipswich-Boonah Road. At Peak Crossing there is a road sign indicating the Kalbar turnoff. Head south along the Kalbar-Peak Crossing Road for 21 kilometres.
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Some formal wear to the dance on Saturday night. It will be held in the School of Arts Hall across the road from the showgrounds. The theme for the dance is Half and Half i.e. half formal and half bushwalking clothes. Prizes will be awarded.
Via Beaudesert. From Beaudesert take the Boonah-Beaudesert Rd. As you reach Boonah, at the roundabout, instead of turning left and entering Boonah, continue straight ahead and follow the road signs to Kalbar.
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A sense of fun and good humour.
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The Showgrounds are at the northern end of town and entry is via the Kalbar-Peak Crossing Road.
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Double Top
Past Walks Illinbah Circuit
28 April 2007
To walk or not to walk, that is the question!!! Illingbah Circuit: Track walk, approx. 20klms, with small additions and offshoots. Degree of Difficulty: Some rock hopping and creek crossings required. Weather: Fair, if not a little overcast. What can I say. I started the walk with some nervousness and trepidation, in that I was booked to go overseas in the next 2 days on holidays for 6 weeks. All I needed to do was twist an ankle or break a bone to ensure I would have a simply perfect holiday. However this was a walk which I had not done before and I really wanted to get it under my belt, so to speak.
26 May 2007
After a long lay off with a very painful inflammation of an Achilles tendon (with secondary inflammation of the hip pocket nerve for a while), and after a few walks to test the tendon and gain a little fitness I was back in the leaders seat again. Meeting at Aratula six of us set off for the Swan Creek Road and a hoped for 9.00 am walk start. The last time I was on the Swan Creek Road, which was 12 years ago, the road ended at Lemon Tree Flats which was where we were to commence the walk. We drove into a spot I was thinking looked like Lemon Tree Flats but the road kept going, so I kept going. After a short distance the terrain got steeper and the bush was closing in and thinking this isn’t like I remembered, we stopped and checked Gil’s GPS and discovered I was right the first time, so turned around and headed back. With drizzling rain and a late start we set off up the ridge which brought us out to the edge of the main range between Mt. Huntley and Double Top. The rain soon lifted and as the ridge had been burnt a few months previously it made for pleasant walking up to the edge of the range where we stopped for a morning tea break. Turning left we initially headed through a short patch of rain forest to a saddle and the climb to Double Top. Having not been to Double Top for nearly 20 years the climb near the top was a lot steeper and scramblier than I remembered or is it just that it feels like that because I am 20 years older? (And is there such a word as scramblier?)
Illinbah Circuit
So armed with my trusty associate leader (Patricia), eight of us (in total) set out on what turned out to be a great walk. The track we discovered was in poor condition, and as we proceeded further and further on we found that the track in a few places petered out to nothing but open space and no sign of a track at all. With some back tracking and fanning out of the troops we (on each occasion) were able to pick the track up again, and proceed on our merry way. We also found that a number of huge trees had fallen across the track, which also gave us some challenges which of course we conquered with no difficulty. Wild life was somewhat sparse, even the mandatory snake was missing. However all in all it really turned out to be a great walk and I did in fact make it home in one piece. Thanks to the troops who participated and a special thanks to Patricia for her assistance. Ps Patricia contacted the rangers re: the condition of track and they know the situation, and rectification works are in the pipeline. Bob
Mt Cordeaux and Bare Rock
Anyhow we reached the top for our lunch break and took in the view before heading back to the cars via the ridge between Swan Creek and Hell Hole Creek. As I had not this done before, (being the exploratory part of the walk description) I did not know if there would be any cliff lines to impede progress. Dean, being young and energetic, volunteered to race ahead and check and soon returned to report that though there were some small cliffs the breaks were easy to negotiate so off we headed. The descent was a bit unusual in that we had to drop nearly 200 metres before we were on an easily discernible ridge, so we had to diligently follow a compass bearing for a while. I was heading for an old snig track that my forestry map showed was on the ridge and luckily we walked straight onto it and followed it for over a kilometre until we came to the Hell Hole Creek Road. We stopped for our last rest near the top of a knoll, where Dean unsuccessfully tried to take photographs of a couple of red tail black cockatoos, before our final descent back to the cars. The final descent was uneventful except that the rain, that had been holding off all day, finally came down heavily when we were only a couple of hundred metres from the car. A quick change into some dry clothes and we headed to the Yangan pub for some well earned refreshments. Thanks to the five other people who came along and made this a very enjoyable walk. David Kenrick
20 May 2007
Fourteen people met up in Aratula at 8am on a cool morning and then drove to Cunningham's Gap car park. The walk started at the car park and we walked steadily uphill towards Mt Cordeaux for 3 km's through rainforest.
Thanks On a recent walk I managed to hit my head on a protruding rock in a cave. I would like to thank Kerry, Anne and Sandy for the help they gave me. Richard
From the lookout just below the summit of Mt Cordeaux we were rewarded with a great view overlooking Mt Greville, Mt Edwards, Mt Mitchell and the Fassifern Valley. The weather was perfect and we enjoyed warming up in the sun. The track continued west for another 3 km's across a saddle with more views. Giant spear lilies and grass trees were growing but not in flower. Bare Rock was a great spot for lunch and for admiring the view of the northern end of the Main Range National Park. After lunch we returned downhill to the car park the same way. It was then back to Aratula for afternoon tea at the Cafe. Many thanks to everyone for coming on this pleasant walk. Noelene
From a Sorry Head Case
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To a Happy Bunny
Nepal
Trek to Everest Base Camp
On Track for Everest
# Sprinting past Noelene over the last 100m of that suspension bridge before a mob of yaks was ushered onto it. This would have blocked our exit and forced us back over the 300m swinging tightrope that we had just traversed.
The date is 16th April, 2007 and it is very early (5 am) on a Monday morning. “Cup of Tea!” We hear the now familiar early morning call of Doni and Hari, two of our wonderful sherpas. Noelene and I go into automatic mode following the regular morning routine: pack up sleeping gear, pack duffel bag, pack day pack… Soon after heralds another friendly knock, this time to deliver our precious warm water for washing. We hustle obediently, anticipating the challenging days ahead. Today, Everest Base Camp and tomorrow, Kalapatthar Peak, a strenuous two days in high altitude.
# Lying there in my liner and sleeping bag. My attire was thermals, tracksuit, beanie and two pairs of socks. I was wondering how long my bladder could hold out before I was forced to locate my torch, extricate myself from my bedding and head out into the dark. All the time I was hoping that the barking dog which was keeping me awake did not have rabies. Richard’s advice to take an extra bottle with a wide neck was now running through my mind.
Over the previous days, Saran, our Leader, had been discussing aspects of these two treks. Not all group members had the skills and stamina to cope with the difficulty and length of both treks and he urged each of us to think about which was most important to us. It had never occurred to me that I would not do everything on offer. However altitude impacts on capacity enormously and everyone thought very carefully before deciding what to tackle.
# Sitting at the rear of the small 17 seater plane beside our attractive air hostess where I watched her bless herself as we thundered down the Kathmandu runway heading off to Lukla. After a steep ascent through the smog, we leveled out and she again blessed herself. When asked if she was a Christian, she replied, ‘No. But it all helps!’
The group, ten trekkers, four sherpas and Saran, set off from Lobuche (4,949m) at 6.15 am along an open and barren trail crossing the moraines of the Changri and Khumbu glaciers. Three hours later we arrive in Gorakshep, made up of a few lodges, and surrounded by a dried-out lake, looking a bit like a sandy desert. It is the last ‘village’ before Everest Base Camp.
# When walking through the Thamel Markets in Kathmandu, being continually harassed by hashish sellers while all my companions were left alone. I wonder if my unruly hair and bushy beard were the cause of this?
The five Base Camp walkers are given 30 minutes to replenish before embarking on a difficult, undulating, rocky walk through the lateral moraines of the Kumbu Glacier. Although not far in distance, it is three hours before we reach our destination. Just like previous days on the trek we pass many porters and yaks dutifully hauling essential supplies to the camp.
Paul, Gail, Noelene, Margie and Frank
Our trip to Nepal required sustained mental and physical effort to achieve the milestones that we had set for ourselves. Each day had its highs and lows, some of which are listed below:
# The disappointment in our group when we parted with Gail at the 4000m level because she was too ill to continue on that part of the walk. # The effect that the locals' habit of spitting had on Margie – they seemed to save their best for when she was around. # The look on Denise’s face when she opened the door to the outside toilet and found that there was no back wall. From this toilet with a view, you could see the locals walking by and they could see you! # The knowledge that the people on the Peregrine Tour sitting opposite to us in the lodge had paid twice as much for the same trip – yet we always got better meals. # The professional, caring attitude of Saran and his team over the entire trip. This started each day when we were awoken with a smile, a cup of hot black tea and a bright cry of …. ‘Morning’. # Finding out that every sound you made could be heard through the paper-thin 3 ply walls that separated each room. # My respect for those who participated on the trek particularly Noelene, Paul and Margie who were the only ones to complete the trifecta of Gokyo Ri, Kalapathar and Everest Base Camp. # The opportunity to absorb the incredible beauty and atmosphere of a truly spiritual place. # My homecoming. Even though it was a special holiday, it was great to be welcomed back home by my wife and family. Frank Garland.
The highlights of this walk for me were the magnificent Nuptse (7,864m) which loomed nearby and the Kumbu glacier with its pinnacles, caves and endless array of icy formations. The expanse of Nuptse was mesmerizing-you just wanted to look and admire its ridges, outcrops and ice flows forever. The subtle greens and blues of the glacier are spellbinding. Everest Base camp (5,380m) is an eerie place. The colourful tents and temporary abodes could be deemed a blot on this moon like landscape. But this close-up view of the challenging terrain surrounding the camp does instill a feeling of awe, even if you don’t identify with extreme climbing. Like clockwork, the weather comes over in the early afternoon, making the camp a cold and uncomfortable place to stop for too long. We reluctantly set off back to Gorakshep. I find myself taking my time and stopping often to take in as much as I could of the incredible environment surrounding me. During our trek up the Kumbu Valley we had encountered a number of trekkers who reported that Everest Base Camp was ‘just a bunch of tents’ and ‘not worth the effort’. But as we all know: it is not always about the destination but the journey…. Although physically exhausted at the end of the day I found this day to be exhilarating. Many thanks to Saran, Doni, Hari and Om, our loyal guides who were there for us every step of the way! Margie Rae
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