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date: sun, 9 dec 2007 17:39:19 +0530 from: "vishwanathan raman" subject: re: [advaita-l] trees have life- bhashya to: [email protected] message-id: content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 i would like to add one point here (based on my understanding of my guru swami paramarthananda's teachings). he often says 5 points in his classes, that we need to remember whenever we talk about consciousness aka existence (note the capitalized forms of 'c' and 'e'), which i would like quote here for the benefit of the list members. (1) consciousness or existence is not a part/product/property of the body / mind complex. (2) consciousness or existence is an independent entity that pervades and enlivens the body / mind complex. (3) consciousness or existence is not limited by the boundaries of the body / mind complex. (4) consciousness or existence survives even after the disintegration of the body / mind complex. (5) the surviving consciousness or existence is not experienced not because it is absent but because the medium of transaction (body / mind complex) is not present. thus whenever we talk about gradations in consciousness what we are really talking about is the reflected consciousness (chidabhasa) and not the original consciousness (which is sat-chit-ananda). pranams, viswanathan message: 2 > date: sat, 8 dec 2007 12:47:39 +0530 > from: "pranav peshwe" <[email protected]> > subject: re: [advaita-l] trees have life- bhashya > to: "a discussion group for advaita vedanta" > > message-id: > > content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > on dec 7, 2007 8:57 pm, s.n. sastri <[email protected]> wrote: > > > dr. j.c. bose (1858 ?1937) is said to have discovered that trees

and > > plants > > have life and react to stimuli. i do not know whether this was known to > > science earlier. scientist members of this group must be able to say. > > > > but it is interesting that this has been stated by sri sankara himself > in > > his bhashya on chandogya upanishad, vi. 11. 2:-> > > > "that a tree is possessed of a soul is indicated by such signs as > > exudation > > and drying up of sap. from the illustration in the sruti that the > > non-moving > > living things are possessed of consciousness, the view of the buddhists > > and > > the vaiseshikas, who hold that the non-moving things have no > > consciousness, > > is seen to be without substance". > > > > namaskar, > the upanishad talks about the tree having > 'consciousness', while science discovered that trees have 'life'. is > 'consciousness' in the bhashya equivalent to what science calls 'life' ? > of course, who knows, trees may also possess consciousness, maybe in a > cruder form as compared to us humans. only some light has been thrown on > the > softer problems about consciousness, but answer to the hard one still > evades > science. > kindly correct me wherever wrong. would be glad to hear comments on the > topic. > > best regards, > pranav > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> happiness is the absence of the striving for happiness. > -----------------------------message: 2 date: sun, 9 dec 2007 16:03:03 +0000 (gmt) from: sreenivasa murthy subject: re: [advaita-l] trees have life- bhashya to: a discussion group for advaita vedanta

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pranams to all. dear sri vishwanathan raman, the five points given out by you are very thought provoking. the first four points, are they mere statements to be believed in only or they are statements of facts which have been verified and which can be verified. if they are verified and verifiable facts what is the methodology for examining/verifying them? how can i make them a living truth within myself? help in that direction will immemsely benefit . please share your understanding.

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with warm and respectful regards, sreenivasa murthy vishwanathan raman wrote: i would like to add one point here (based on my understanding of my guru swami paramarthananda's teachings). he often says 5 points in his classes, that we need to remember whenever we talk about consciousness aka existence (note the capitalized forms of 'c' and 'e'), which i would like quote here for the benefit of the list members. (1) consciousness or existence is not a part/product/property of the body / mind complex. (2) consciousness or existence is an independent entity that pervades and enlivens the body / mind complex. (3) consciousness or existence is not limited by the boundaries of the body / mind complex. (4) consciousness or existence survives even after the disintegration of the body / mind complex. (5) the surviving consciousness or existence is not experienced not because it is absent but because the medium of transaction (body / mind complex) is not present. thus whenever we talk about gradations in consciousness what we are really talking about is the reflected consciousness (chidabhasa) and not the original consciousness (which is sat-chit-ananda).

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