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Being too nice vs. being a jerk

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Most “nice guys” who read this blog know not to be “the nice guy”  or “too nice” when meeting women. As a former “nice guy” 

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myself, I know that this is easier said than done. How hard can it be not to be “nice?” Well, it can be... for the same reasons that any dating science personality change can be hard. What we’re doing in the Love

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Systems approach (as explained through Magic Bullets, the Love Systems’ Routines Manual, and the Interview Series subscription and backorders) is calibrating specific aspects of our personality.

Comments So, let’s say you were like I was ten years ago... and you need to be “less nice.” Well, how much less? How do we know when we get TRAINING PROGRAMS

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And here’s a potential problem. If you could map every attribute

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of your personality from 1-10, you could probably determine an

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ideal range for every characteristic, and it’s seldom on the

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extreme. Even among the eight attraction triggers discussed in Magic Bullets (the eight characteristics that virtually all women respond to, no matter who they – or you – are), you can go too of 10 in terms of confidence is great. Being 10 out of 10 is... a little

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bit weird. Women might find that intimidating, or assume you are

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Well, niceness works the same way. If you made a range around a 6 to an 8. [Don’t take the actual numbers too seriously; this is to illustrate an idea.] And a lot of “nice guys” are around a 3.

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What happens a lot is that guys experiment with being more of a

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jerk. They get some results. They push a bit more. They get more

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where “nice” was a “1 ” and “jerk” was a “1 0 ,” you might want to be FIELD REPORTS

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far. Take confidence, for example. Being an 8 out of 10 or a 9 out

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What’s happened is that this hypothetical guy is hitting a 9 or a 10

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consciously or subconsciously changing how they present

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themselves along a bunch of different dimensions. So the guy who

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is being less nice is also using the Emotional Progression Model

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from Magic Bullets and delivering great routines adapted from the

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women, but this overall improvement masks the fact that he’s

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This happens a LOT. Unless you have access to master instructors

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coaching them to greater success, it’s nearly impossible for most

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people to really self-analyze what they are doing right and wrong.

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So, is the lesson that people sometimes take good dating advice to an extreme? No... that would have been a lot shorter and more obvious. My point is actually quite different: if you are learning on your own, you SHOULD take new techniques to an extreme. For example:

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people to really self-analyze what they are doing right and wrong.

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So, is the lesson that people sometimes take good dating advice to an extreme? No... that would have been a lot shorter and more obvious. My point is actually quite different: if you are learning on your own, you SHOULD take new techniques to an extreme. For example:

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Too quiet/too passive: be the crazy dancing monkey.

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And so on...

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of useful behavior. Moreover, you need to develop an instinctive feel for it. You need to get used to the signs you get when you’re

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being too nice. You need to get used to the signs you get when

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In my experience – and I’ve trained hundreds of guys in the last four years, including several who have gone on to become instructors with Love Systems – most men need to learn the range

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y o u’re being too much of a jerk. You need to be able to recognize

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these early, when you’re only a little bit outside of the ideal range,

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so you can calibrate back into it quickly. With practice and

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experimentation, this will come naturally.

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You actually do this already. Let’s use the example of just talking to a friend. You know what the ideal volume range is from

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often without thinking about it. When you’re too loud, you might

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notice other people looking in your direction more than usual,

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you might notice your friend shifting his head back and looking

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y o u’re being too quiet, your friend will lean in to hear you, he

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might look like he is concentrating on what you’re saying more

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than normal, and so on. All of these are feedback mechanisms that

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experience. But if you come in outside that range – say you’ve just gotten off the plane and your ears are plugged and you don’t realize how loudly you are talking – you will quickly and instinctively give yourself the feedback you need to change...

let you modify your behavior. And they work, because you have lots of experience with being too loud or too quiet in normal social situations and have learned to modify how you present yourself.

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Let’s apply this to niceness. What are some signs that you are

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being too nice?

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She wishes her boyfriend (or more men in general) were more like

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you.

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She doesn’t get dressed up to see you (unless you are going out

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somewhere).

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nice, and not all of these signs may appear even when you are

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She calls you an “asshole” or “mean” (without smiling). A woman

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can call you evil, a jerk, bad news, or a player, and still be very

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attracted to you. Or she can call you anything while smiling. But

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being too nice.] Similarly, there are some common signs to be aware of when you are being too much of a jerk:

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most women will not call you an asshole or tell you that you’re

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mean and actually want you. Some words have more power than

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others with women; this is something we sometimes get to in our

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Y o u’re teasing her or “negging” her and it used to get a positive response but is now getting a negative one.

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With any change you make, take it to both extremes (too much and too little) and get used to where the boundaries are.

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As a more advanced thought, if you’re trying to be less of

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the “nice guy,” I’ve had a lot more success teaching men to

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be “selfish” than to be “jerks.” When you’re a jerk, you are

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deliberately bringing someone else down. When you’re selfish,

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their own. I’m not advocating people be selfish for no reason. Only do this if you are getting the “nice guy” reactions from women. Cancel plans if you don’t feel like going out or something more

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interesting comes up. Within reason, don’t offer to pick her up,

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drive her home, etc. Dates should be things that you’d enjoy

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doing anyway – this applies whether or not you are normally too

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nice, and Chapter 17 (Dates) of Magic Bullets explains why. When

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would do. And so on.

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teachers, than significants, than friends, and now as a business owner...customers. The issue wasn't that I needed to "less nice", but how to go about doing that. I can make myself selfish. I can do that. Thanks for some direction in that area.

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