Nypd Perino Interview Transcript

[This is a transcript of the interrogation provided by the defense lawyer, Mark S. DeMarco. It was offered as an exhibit in the trial.] 1DECEMBER 31, 2005, 44 POLICE PRECINCT STATIONHOUSE, BRONX, NY Participants: Detective Christopher Perino Erik Crespo DET PERINO.

I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. THERE'S NO MYSTERY YOU UNDERSTAND ME.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT I ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OKAY. I DIDN’T HEAR ABOUT IT. I SAW IT OKAY. IT WAS DIGITAL. BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT'S ALL ON TAPE OKAY. PERSONALLY, I’M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT SHOT AT BEATING THIS CASE, YOU KNOW WHY?

ERIK CRESPO.

BECAUSE YOU SEEN THE DUDE WALK UP BEHIND ME?

DET PERINO.

AH AH AH AH AH. LISTEN TO ME OKAY

ERIK CRESPO.

YES

DET PERINO.

WAIT UNTIL I’M THROUGH. I PERSONALLY THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD SHOT AT BEATING THIS CASE. YOU GOT NO RECORD, OTHER THAN STUPID LITTLE [EXPLETIVE] IT DOESN’T COUNT. YOU ARE NOT THE AGGRESSOR HERE. YOU GOT IT PLAIN AS CAN BE. ONLY PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT YOU HAVE A GUN, AND YOU DO USE IT, OK. HE’S NOT THE NICEST GUY IN THE WORLD ANYWAY. COMPARED TO HIM TO YOU, YOU’RE A CHIOR BOY, COMPARED TO HIM. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH

DET PERINO.

NOW I GOT A FEW THINGS THAT I’M INTERESTED IN AND OTHER THAN THAT I’M DONE WITH YOU. I PROCESS YA . . . I PUT YOU IN, LET THE JUDGE AND THE COURT FIGURE IT OUT AND BOUNCE YOU THE [EXPLETIVE] OUT. ONE, YOU HAD A GUN AND YOU USED IT. THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT 1

THAT. WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED. TWO, WHERE IS THE GUN? CAUSE THAT’S THE FIRST THING SOMEBODYS GOING TO ASK ME. I KNOW THE LIEUTENENT IS GOING TO SAY, "WHERE IS THE GUN?" ERIK CRESPO.

I DON’T HAVE IT.

DET PERINO.

OKAY. WELL, WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THAT, ALRIGHT? WE'LL GO OVER IT. FIRST OF ALL, I DON’T WANT YOU TO LIE.

ERIK CRESPO.

I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO.

IF YOU THINK I’M [EXPLETIVE] YOU, YOU SAY DET. PERINO I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’RE, YOU’RE A YOUNGSTER YOU’RE A LITTLE BIT. HOW OLD ARE YOU?

ERIK CRESPO.

SEVENTEEN (17).

DET PERINO.

ALRIGHT YOU’RE A YOUNGSTER. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ME ALRIGHT. MOST PEOPLE WHO DO KNOW ME OKAY, YOU WANT THAT CHAIR?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

ALRIGHT SWITCH THE CHAIRS RIGHT AWAY, PUT THAT CHAIR BACK IN THERE

ERIK CRESPO.

OKAY, RIGHT HERE?

DET PERINO.

YEAH, I WANT YOU, I WANT YOU TO MOVE THAT TABLE.

ERIK CRESPO.

OVER HERE?

DET PERINO.

YOU COULD, YOU COULD SWITCH THE CHAIR IF YOU WANT THAT CHAIR?

ERIK CRESPO.

OH YEAH NAAH YEAH.

DET PERINO.

YOU WANT THE CHAIR?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

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DET PERINO. ERIK CRESPO.

TAKE YOUR WATER, HOLD YOUR WATER UP. . . PUT IT RIGHT HERE. PUT YOUR CHAIR HERE. PUT THE CHAIR IN THERE GRAB YOUR WATER . . . HOLD ON OKAY. YEAH.

DET PERINO.

I DON’T WANT YOU TO LIE TO ME, UNDERSTAND ME? IF YOU THINK I’M [EXPLETIVE] ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS LISTEN, DET PERINO I THINK YOU’RE FULL OF [EXPLETIVE]. I'LL RESPECT YOU.

ERIK CRESPO.

SAME THING TO YOU.

DET PERINO.

I'LL TAKE YOU, TAKE MY LAPTOP OUT, I WILL PUT THE LAPTOP ON THIS [EXPLETIVE] TABLE I WILL PUT THE SURVEILLANCE DISK IN AND YOU CAN WATCH YOURSELF GO THROUGH THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD TELL ME THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IS FOR ALL THE REASONS I JUST TOLD YOU. PERSONALLY, I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT SHOT AT BEATING THIS ENTIRE CASE. EVEN THOUGH YOU DID SOMETHING STUPID. BUT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO TALK TO ME AND GIVE ME A [EXPLETIVE] STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED HERE, THAT’S FINE TOO. BECAUSE I WILL JUST TAKE THAT DISK, I WILL GO TO THE DA'S OFFICE AND PUT IT ON A BIG [EXPLETIVE] SCREEN FOR THE GRAND JURY WITHOUT YOU BEING ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING, THAT’S WHY. FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

AND THEN YOU WOULD TAKE YOUR CHANCE. YOU SEE THE THING WITH THE WITH THE DISK IS IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY AUDIO AND YOU REALLY DON’T KNOW WHAT'S BEING SAID. IT'S JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH BUT YOU DO SEE WHAT HAPPENED.

ERIK CRESPO.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE.

DET PERINO.

HOLD ON A MINUTE, YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THIS GUY WHOSE PRETTY [EXPLETIVE] UP. HE’S GONNA EVENTUALLY TELL HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. YOU’RE NOT GONNA HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY YOUR HALF OF THE STORY BY THAT TIME. FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO.

AND WHY IS THAT? 3

DET PERINO.

WELL I’M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE TIME. IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME. NOW, I WILL TAKE A WRITTEN STATEMENT FROM YOU. I WILL PUT IT DOWN ON PAPER AND BURN THE [EXPLETIVE] CASE IN A FILE. IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU DON’T WANT TO TALK TO ME AND YOU WANNA WAIT FOR AN ATTORNEY, THAT’S FINE TOO. THEN YOU DON’T TALK TO ME, AND THEN YOUR ATTORNEY IS GONNA TELL YOU NOT TO TALK TO ME. AND ONLY HE’S GONNA DO THE TALKING. BUT BY THAT TIME I'LL ALREADY GO TO THE GRAND JURY WITH MY LITTLE [EXPLETIVE] DISK, PUT THE TAPE IN AND MAKE THEM WATCH IT THEMSELVES. FOLLOW ME? IT HAS NO SOUND TO IT, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO SEE YOU PULLING OUT A GUN AND [EXPLETIVE] SHOOTING HIM. YOU UNDERSTAND. THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHY. THE ONLY THING THEY ARE GONNA SEE IS THAT HE'S KIND OF THE AGGRESSOR. BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN, YOU KNOW, HE CAN TURN THAT [EXPLETIVE] AROUND HIMSELF, YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO.

I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO. HAPPENED.

BASICALLY, JUST TELL ME WHAT THE [EXPLETIVE]

ERIK CRESPO.

UM, ALSO YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE A VIDEO. DID YOU SEE THAT HE ALSO PULLS OUT A WEAPON HE HAS ON HIM?

DET PERINO.

WHAT KIND OF WEAPON DID HE HAVE ON HIM?

ERIK CRESPO.

HE HAS A KNIFE ON HIM.

DET PERINO.

OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND HE WAS SAYING, ALRIGHT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. IT WAS CHRISTMAS I HAD GOT PICKED UP BY MY MOTHER'S FRIEND WHO DROPPED ME OFF THERE CAUSE MY FRIEND LIVES THERE. SO I’M GOING IN THE ELEVATOR.

DET PERINO.

WHO'S YOUR MOTHER'S BOYFRIEND?

ERIK CRESPO.

MY MOTHER'S BOYFRIEND? WELL, KIND OF HER EXBOYFRIEND. HE LIKE DRIVES ME AROUND.

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DET PERINO.

WHAT'S HIS NAME?

ERIK CRESPO.

SOLIE.

DET CRESPO.

SOLIE, WHAT?

ERIK CRESPO.

SANTIAGO.

DET CRESPO.

SOLIE SANTIAGO, OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT ANYWAY, SO WHEN HE DROPPED ME OFF I WAS WALKING INTO THE BUILDING. AS I WAS WALKING INTO THE BUILDING I TELL MY FRIEND TO BUZZ ME UP. SO BEFORE HE COULD BUZZ ME UP I SEE.

DET PERINO.

YOU CALLED HIM ON A NEXTEL?

ERIK CRESPO.

I SEE A MAN WALKING IN. SO THE DUDE OPENED THE DOOR AND LIKE I’M WAITING FOR MY FRIEND TO BUZZ ME UP. HE'S LIKE ARE YOU COMING IN? I’M LIKE YEAH, SO HE'S LIKE WELL OPEN THE DOOR, I ALREADY KNEW RIGHT THERE. AH [EXPLETIVE] THIS DUDE'S TRYING TO START SOMETHING WITH ME. SO I OPEN THE DOOR AND AS I’M WALKING IN I GO I’M WALKING TO THE ELEVATOR. YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE CAMERA SO I PRESSED IT AND LIKE I SEE HIM WALKING OUT. HE'S COMING BACK INSIDE. SO I SEE HIM LIKE MAKING FACES LOOKING UP AND DOWN GRILLING ME WHAT NOT AND WHATEVER AND I ALREADY KNOW HE'S GONNA START SOMETHING. HE’S LIKE HE’S LIKE “HEY KID WHO YOU BE?” AND I’M LIKE, “WHAT DO YOU MEAN?” HE’S LIKE, “THIS IS MY HOOD, I WANNA KNOW WHO YOU BE?” I DON’T KNOW WHY HE, I GUESS HE WAS ATTRACTED TO MY JACKET CAUSE IT WAS RED OR SOMETHING SO HE WAS LIKE “I AM BLOOD” THIS AND THAT. HE PULLED OUT HIS FLAG, HIS BEADS WERE OUT AND I’M LIKE “AH [EXPLETIVE] I’M IN TROUBLE HERE.” HE WAS LIKE, “YO, I WANT SOMETHING FROM YOU, IF NOT YOU CANT LEAVE HERE.” SO, I’M LIKE “WHAT DO YOU WANT?” HE’S LIKE “I WANT ANYTHING.” SO I’M LIKE “CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC?” CAUSE I HAD A LOT OF THINGS WITH ME. I HAD A BAG WITH ME, I HAD CLOTHES IN THERE. YOU KNOW I HAD FRESH GEAR ON. IT WAS CHRISTMAS SO THE GUYS LIKE “OH, GIVE ME SOMETHING. IF NOT, YOU NOT LEAVING HERE.” I’M LIKE “AH COME ON, I’M LIKE WHY YOU DOING THIS MISTER,? IT'S CHRISTMAS THINK. I WAS LIKE, “WHY YOU STARTING 5

SOMETHING ON CHRISTMAS? DON’T YOU HAVE FAMILY TO GO TO? I’M JUST HERE I’M NOT BOTHERING NOBODY. I’M JUST COMING HERE IN PEACE.” SO HE’S LIKE “NA NA NA, THIS IS MY HOOD OH I’M GANGSTA THIS AND THAT.” AND I’M LIKE “AH COME ON MAN.” SO HE’S LIKE “IF YOU DON’T GIVE ME SOMETHING, SOMETHINGS GONNA HAPPENED TO YOU.” SO I AM LIKE “WHATS GOING TO HAPPENED TO ME?” HE SAID “YOU WANNA FIND OUT?” SO OUT OF HIS POCKET HE HAD A BLADE ON HIM SO I’M LIKE AH [EXPLETIVE]. SO WHEN HE PULLED OUT THE BLADE I GOT SCARED CAUSE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, SOME KID BROKE MY JAW BEFORE, I HAD TWO METAL PLATES ON THE LEFT SIDE AND ONE ON THE RIGHT. DET PERINO.

NOBODY BROKE YOUR JAW. THEY KICKED THE LIVING [EXPLETIVE] OUT OF YA.

ERIK CRESPO.

THEY HIT ME WITH BRASS KNUCKLES. I’M NOT TRYING TO HEAR THAT AGAIN YOU KNOW? AND I’VE BEEN ROBBED BEFORE AND I HATE TO BE TAKEN AS A SUCKER. SO I PULLED IT OUT AND, HE SAID "WHAT YOU GONNA DO WITH THAT?” I’M LIKE, “I DON’T WANT TO DO NOTHING WITH IT. CAN YOU JUST LEAVE ME ALONE?” AND HE’S LIKE “NOPE.” AND THEN HE PULLED OUT A PHONE AND SAID, “ IF YOU DON’T GIVE ME SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, I’M GONNA START CALLING MY PEOPLES AND YOU GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS.” SO AFTER ABOUT FIVE (5) TO TEN (10) MINUTES I’M PLEADING WITH THE GUY, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE CAMERA. IT LASTED ABOUT FIVE (5) TO TEN (10) MINUTES. I’M LIKE MISTER “ CAN YOU JUST LEAVE?” I’M EVEN CALLING HIM MISTER. HE’S NOT THAT OLD COMPARED TO ME. SO I WAS TALKING TO HIM AND HE WAS LIKE “ YOU BETTER GIVE ME SOMETHING RIGHT NOW OR WE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS.” SO, HE TRIES TO COME IN THE ELEVATOR. SO I PUSHED HIM OUT. THEN AFTER THAT HE GOT TYPE MAD. SO AFTER THAT HE STARTS TO APPROACH ME AGAIN SO I GOT NERVOUS, YOU KNOW.

DET PERINO.

I’M LISTENING.

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT’S IT.

DET PERINO.

NO, NO GO ON. YOU WERE IN GREAT DETAIL TILL THIS POINT. YOU CROSSED THE [EXPLETIVE] LINE. WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU WERE GONNA SAY SO JUST SAY IT.

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ERIK CRESPO. DET PERINO.

YOU SEEN IT ON THE CAMERA. SO GO ON.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND THAT’S IT.

DET PERINO.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT’S IT? YOU PULLED OUT A GUN, DIDN’T YOU?

ERIK CRESPO.

UM HUM.

DET PERINO.

DON’T FOLD UP ON ME. TELL ME GO ON, I SAID WE WERE GONNA STAY WITH EACH OTHER, RIGHT?

ERIK CRESPO.

WE'RE STAYING WITH EACHOTHER. I’M TELLING YOU STRAIGHT UP.

DET PERINO.

WHAT HAPPENED THEN IN GREAT DETAIL. TELL ME, WHAT HAPPENED? IT'S NO SECRET ERIK.

ERIK CRESPO.

I KNOW.

DET PERINO.

IT’S NO SECRET.

ERIK CRESPO.

HE WENT DOWN.

DET PERINO.

WHY DID YOU SHOOT AT HIM?

ERIK CRESPO.

I GOT REALLY NERVIOUS, I WAS AFRAID TO GET STABBED AND ROBBED.

DET PERINO.

WERE YOU TRYING TO KILL HIM?

ERIK CRESPO.

NO.

DET PERINO.

WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO DO?

ERIK CRESPO.

GET AWAY FROM THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

DET PERINO.

RIGHT.

ERIK CRESPO.

I AIMED AT HIM.

DET PERINO.

WHAT DID YOU AIM AT?

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ERIK CRESPO.

I DON’T KNOW I CLOSED MY EYES.

DET PERINO.

OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH ANSWER, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?

ERIK CRESPO.

AFTER THAT I WENT UPSTAIRS.

DET PERINO.

OKAY, AND WHERE DID YOU GO?

ERIK CRESPO.

TO MY FRIEND'S HOUSE.

DET PERINO.

WHOSE HOUSE?

ERIK CRESPO.

SOMEONE WHO LIVES ON THE THIRD (3RD) FLOOR.

DET PERINO.

WHAT'S HIS NAME?

ERIK CRESPO.

HENNY AND THAT’S IT FROM THERE.

DET PERINO.

WHERE DID YOU GET THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO.

I GOT IT OFF THE STREETS.

DET PERINO.

WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO.

I THREW IT AWAY.

DET PERINO.

WHERE DID YOU THROW IT? BECAUSE I’M GONNA GO LOOKING FOR IT.

ERIK CRESPO.

I GAVE IT TO SOMEBODY. THEY THREW IT AWAY.

DET PERINO.

WHO DID YOU GIVE IT TO?

ERIK CRESPO.

SOMEBODY.

DET PERINO.

BE STRAIGHT UP WITH ME. LET ME ASK YOU THIS?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING YOU TOLD ME ABOUT SOLIE. I TOLD YOU “THERES SOMETHING ABOUT THIS [EXPLETIVE] GUY“, WHEN YOU TOLD ME ABOUT YOUR MOM'S BOYFRIEND OR EX-BOYFRIEND. EX.

ERIK CRESPO.

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DET PERINO.

IS THIS THE RETIRED DETECTIVE ONE OR IS THIS SOMEBODY ELSE OR IS THIS THE OTHER GUY?

ERIK CRESPO.

YOU MEAN THE ONE THAT DROPPED ME OFF?

DET PERINO.

YEAH, THE ONE THAT DROPPED YOU OFF.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

OK, THAT’S TWO (2). THAT’S THREE (3) THINGS I TOLD YOU ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL LIFE THAT I KNOW. SHOULD I KEEP GOING ON? I KNOW YOU RIGHT NOW BETTER THAN YOU KNOW YOU.

ERIK CRESPO.

I UNDERSTAND. YOU’RE A DETECTIVE.

DET PERINO.

I DON’T ASK QUESTIONS I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO ALREADY, YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO.

YES.

DET PERINO.

SO JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, ALRIGHT, I TOLD YOU BE STRAIGHT UP WITH ME.

ERIK CRESPO.

I’M BEING REAL WITH YOU.

DET PERINO.

OKAY, WHERE DID YOU GET THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO.

I GOT IT OFF THE STREET.

DET PERINO.

WHO DID YOU GET IT FROM?

ERIK CRESPO.

SOME GUY.

DET PERINO.

WHAT GUY?

ERIK CRESPO.

I DON’T REALLY KNOW HIM, I JUST BOUGHT IT.

DET PERINO.

WHERE?

ERIK CRESPO. DET PERINO.

AROUND PARKCHESTER. WHY YOU CARRYING A GUN WITH YOU?

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ERIK CRESPO.

BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE, SOME KIDS BROKE MY JAW. I JUST HAD IT AROUND FOR PROTECTION.

DET PERINO.

OKAY, HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO.

A BUCK FIFTY.

DET PERINO.

A BUCK FIFTY?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

WHAT KIND OF GUN WAS IT?

ERIK CRESPO.

UM, IT WAS A LITTLE NINE.

DET PERINO.

A LITTLE NINE?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

LIKE WHAT KIND OF LITTLE NINE?

ERIK CRESPO.

IT WAS SMALL. IT WAS A NINE UM LIKE THAT.

DET PERINO.

OKAY, NOW WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE GUN? WHY YOU CARRYING A GUN AROUND THERE ANYWAY?

ERIK CRESPO.

AROUND THERE?

DET PERINO.

YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO.

CAUSE IT WAS, I WAS GOING TO MY FRIEND'S HOUSE AND IT’S A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD.

DET PERINO.

RIGHT.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND UM LIKE I TOLD YOU I WAS SCARED LIKE TO GET ROBBED AGAIN.

DET PERINO.

DID YOU EVER GET ROBBED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE?

ERIK CRESPO

NO, I ONLY GO THERE TO SEE MY FRIEND THAT’S IT.

DET PERINO.

OKAY. 10

ERIK CRESPO.

I DON’T GO OUTSIDE. I JUST MIND MY BUSINESS. THAT’S ALL. I STAY TO MYSELF.

DET PERINO.

OKAY, SO WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE WEAPON?

ERIK CRESPO.

GONE. I THREW IT AWAY.

DET PERINO.

OKAY. THE POINT IS THERE’S A GUN SITTING AROUND SOMEWHERE. SOME LITTLE KID CAN PICK IT UP AND HURT THEMSELVES WITH IT. SO WHERE IS IT NOW? SEE ME HAVING THE GUN IS VERY IMPORTANT, OKAY, FOR TWO (2) REASONS. ONE, IT SHOWS THAT YOU’RE GONNA BE STRAIGHT UP WITH ME AND THAT YOU ARE SINCERE ABOUT THIS BEING A VERY TERRIBLE ACCIDENT AND, TWO, I DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS GUN KILLING ANOTHER GOOD PERSON OR A GOOD PERSON NOT ANOTHER GOOD PERSON, CAUSE HE’S A PIECE OF [EXPLETIVE] YOU SHOT. UM AND, THREE, THEY'RE DEFINITELY GONNA ASK ME FOR THE [EXPLETIVE] GUN. NOW WHERE’S THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO.

I DON’T HAVE IT ANYMORE.

DET PERINO.

NOW WHERE IS IT? WHAT DID YOU DO WITH IT?

ERIK CRESPO.

I THREW IT IN THE OCEAN, NOT IN THE OCEAN, IN THE RIVER.

DET PERINO.

WHAT OCEAN? WHAT RIVER? IT WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME I CALL HARBOR. A DIVER GOES DOWN AND GETS ME THE GUN.

ERIK CRESPO.

THE ONE AROUND WHITESTONE.

DET PERINO.

THE ONE AROUND WHITESTONE?

ERIK CRESPO.

YES.

DET PERINO.

IT ALSO WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME AND HAVE THEM ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE HAVING HARBOR GO OUT AND [EXPLETIVE] LOOK FOR A GUN.

ERIK CRESPO.

I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO.

OKAY.

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ERIK CRESPO.

I DIDN’T THROW IT THERE.

DET PERINO.

LET ME PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

YES.

DET PERINO.

YOUR FRIEND'S FINGERPRINTS ARE PROBABLY STILL ON THAT GUN, CAUSE YOUR FRIEND HANDLED THAT GUN. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HENNY

ERIK CRESPO.

HE DIDN’T TOUCH IT.

DET PERINO.

WELL, THAT’S NOT WHAT HENNY TOLD ME, OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

HE DIDN’T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

DET PERINO.

I KNOW HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, OKAY. IF THE GUN TURNS UP IN SOMETHING ELSE, HENNY’S FINGERPRINTS ARE GOING TO BE ON IT KID. THINK ABOUT YOUR FRIEND. THAT’S THE FIFTH THING I TOLD YOU ABOUT YOUR LIFE THAT YOU THINK I DIDN’T KNOW. JUST BE STRAIGHT UP WITH ME KID YOU’RE GONNA END UP BEATING THIS CASE.

ERIK CRESPO.

I’M BEING REAL WITH YOU.

DET PERINO.

I WANT YOU TO MAKE THIS AS EASY AS YOU [EXPLETIVE] CAN BECAUSE FOR TWO REASONS; ONE, YOU’RE IN KNEE DEEP BELIEVE ME.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

I WAS READY TO SIT DOWN RIGHT THERE WITH MY FAMILY

ERIK CRESPO.

I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO.

YOU COULDN’T WAIT ANOTHER [EXPLETIVE] DAY BEFORE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR ESCAPE TO PUERTO RICO? YOUR MOM KNEW HOW HARD I WAS LOOKING FOR YA, SHE EVEN TIPPED YOU OFF BEFORE I GOT TO WHERE YOU WERE THAT NIGHT, OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE HAD YOU THAT NIGHT. BUT I ASKED HER NOT TO THOUGH, BUT SHE’S A MOTHER AND I UNDERSTAND WHY SHE DID WHAT SHE DID, OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

UM HUM. 12

DET PERINO.

I’M VERY STELLAR AT WHAT I DO. I HAVE EIGHTEEN (18) YEARS ON THE JOB. I DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO. I’M NOT HERE TO [EXPLETIVE] AROUND WITH YOU. I WILL TREAT YOU LIKE A GENTLEMAN. YOU MADE A MISTAKE, SOMETHING YOU CAN'T CHANGE. JUST BE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT (100%) TRUTHFUL IN IT.

ERIK CRESPO.

I’M BEING REAL WITH YOU MAN, WHAT THE [EXPLETIVE].

DET PERINO.

I WANT THE GUN ALRIGHT, I WANT THE GUN. TRUST ME OKAY, TRUST ME. MAKE IT EASY ON ME. DON’T MAKE IT HARD FOR ME , CAUSE I COULD KEEP YOU HERE ALL [EXPLETIVE] NIGHT. I CAN KEEP YOU HERE ALL TOMORROW MORNING, I CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON’T SEE THE JUDGE FOR THE NEXT THREE (3) DAYS AND THEN YOU WILL SEE THE JUDGE AND BY THAT TIME I’LL BE IN THE DA’S OFFICE TO REMAND YOU.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT’S THAT?

DET PERINO.

WELL BECAUSE I CAN LEAN ON YOU IF I WANT TO. I DON’T WANT TO. I DON’T WANT TO. YOU DON’T SEEM TO BE A BAD KID. YOU SEEM A LITTLE CONFUSED. MAYBE A LITTLE HOSTILE TO WHAT WENT ON IN THE PAST, BUT YOU’RE NOT A BAD KID. YOU’RE NOT A HARDENED CRIMINAL.

ERIK CRESPO.

YES SIR.

DET PERINO.

YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING? NOT THESE ARE QUESTIONS, THAT MY BOSS IS NOT, LETS SAY ABOUT NINE HOURS FROM NOW, HE’S GONNA BE CALLING OF THE FAN. WHAT DID HE DO WITH THE GUN? THIS IS THE FIRST [EXPLETIVE] QUESTION THIS [EXPLETIVE] OF A BOSS I HAVE IS GOING TO ASK. LOOK HE’S THE GREATEST THING SINCE [EXPLETIVE] TJ HOOKER, OR BARRETTA OR CLINT EASTWOOD AND HE REALLY THINKS HE’S [EXPLETIVE] THE GREATEST COP IN THE WORLD. AND THAT’S THE FIRST [EXPLETIVE] COP QUESTION HE’S GOING TO ASK ME IS WHERE’S THE GUN? I SWEAR TO GOD. NOT THAT IT MATTERS THAT I HAVE IT OR NOT BUT YOU STILL WILL BE CHARGED WITH THE SAME THING.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT WILL I BE CHARGED WITH?

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DET PERINO.

YOU’RE GONNA BE CHARGED WITH ASSAULT ONE (1), POSSESSION OF A WEAPON, USE OF A WEAPON. IT’S ALL IN THE VIDEO. I GOT SUCH A GOOD CLEAR PICTURE OF YOU ALL NIGHT LONG. I COULD SEE THE CASINGS SHOOTING OUT OF IT.

ERIK CRESPO.

MAY I SEE IT? I JUST WANT TO SEE IT. THANK YOU, I HAVE TO PEE, OH GOD, DAMN FLIES BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT.

DET PERINO.

THAT’S A [EXPLETIVE] ONE OF YOU , THAT’S A [EXPLETIVE] ONE OF YOU.

ERIK CRESPO.

HE CAME BACK WITH NO LAPTOP, JUST PICTURES OF ME , WITH NOTHING.

DET PERINO.

I HAVE BETTER ONES OF YOU. HERE’S A COUPLE DAYS GO BY YOU’RE NOT WEARING A HAT. THIS IS YOU IN THE ELEVATOR.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH

DET PERINO.

THAT’S YOU HOLDING UP A BLACK NINE (9) MILLIMETER POINTING AT THE GENTLEMAN.

ERIK CRESPO.

OKAY.

DET PERINO.

THAT’S YOU WHEN THE DOOR CLOSES WAITING FOR THE DOOR TO OPEN AGAIN. THAT’S YOU WHEN YOU GET OFF ON THE SECOND (2ND) FLOOR. EVEN THOUGH YOU PRESSED THE THIRD (3RD) FLOOR BUTTON. ALRIGHT, THAT’S JUST A FEW OF WHAT I HAVE. THE OTHER ONES, THE OTHER ONE'S SUCK. I HAVE SOME GENERATED ONES ON PIECES OF PAPER, CRYSTAL CLEAR, ALRIGHT. AND IF I HAD THEM RIGHT HERE, I HAVE TO TALK TO THE TWO (2) GUYS WHO PICKED YOU UP, CAUSE THEY HAVE THEM. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEM.

ERIK CRESPO.

ALRIGHT.

DET PERINO.

CAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THEY SHOWED TO TAKE WITH ME WHEN I WENT TO THE AIRPORT FOR YOU. UM, THIS, I THREW THE GUN AWAY, IS NOT GONNA FLY. I NEED THE WEAPON, I WANT THE WEAPON. IT’S A SHOW OF GOOD FAITH. SO YOU’RE BEING STRAIGHT UP WITH ME. I HAVE NO 14

PROBLEM WITH YOU CARRYING A GUN. YOU GOT THE [EXPLETIVE] KICKED OUT OF YOU PRETTY BRUTALLY IN CROTONA PARK I THINK IT WAS , WAS IT CROTONA PARK? I THINK IT WAS, HOLD ON A SEC, NO IT WAS BY WHATS THIS? BALCOM. ERIK CRESPO.

OH, THAT’S OVER THERE WHERE THEY BROKE MY JAW.

DET PERINO.

YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO.

ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT I USED TO PLAY FOOTBALL IN PS 72.

DET PERINO.

YEAH, WHAT’S THE STREET?

ERIK CRESPO.

UM I DON’T KNOW WHERE’S BALCOM.

DET PERINO.

I DON’T KNOW WHERE’S BALCOM.

ERIK CRESPO.

NAH BALCOM IS ON THE PROJECT SIDE.

DET PERINO.

YEAH, I KNOW ITS ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH ,YEAH ITS AROUND THERE. I KNOW WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT.

DET PERINO.

TWO (2) THINGS I CANT UNDERSTAND, WHY YOU CARRYING A GUN?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH

DET PERINO.

ALRIGHT YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE IT, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAD IT. I’M PRETTY SURE THE JUDGE IN THE COURT WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAD IT, THOUGH YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT. BUT YOU KNOW HOW MANY GUYS COME IN HERE OR GUYS GO TO COURT AND THE FIRST THING THEY SAY IS THAT THEY BOUGHT IT ON THE STREET AND THEY DON’T WANT TO GIVE UP THE PERSON THEY GOT IT FROM AND, TWO, I THREW IT AWAY. OK, IF I HAD A NICKEL FOR EVERY TIME I HEARD THAT, I WOULD BE A MILLIONAIRE. I WOULDN’T BE RICH, I WOULD BE A MILLIONAIRE. IT WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME I WILL BE ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE AND CALLED HARBOR OUT OR CALLED THE DOGS OUT TO LOOK IN THE [EXPLETIVE] LOT OR DIVE IN 15

THE [EXPLETIVE] WATER OR WHERE EVER IT MAY BE, HUNTS POINT, WHITESTONE, THROGS NECK TO GO LOOKING FOR EXACTLY WHERE THE GUN WAS BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT MY BOSS IS GONNA DO. THAT’S ABOUT FIVE HOURS OF YOU SITTING HERE, I DON’T CARE IF YOUR MOTHER HAS IT. I DON’T CARE IF YOUR ELEVEN YEAR OLD OR TWELVE YEAR OLD SISTER HAS IT. I DON’T CARE IF HENNY HAS IT. I DON’T CARE WHO'S GOT IT. YOU’RE NOT GONNA GET IN TROUBLE. ALL I WANT IS THE ILLEGAL WEAPON OFF THE STREET. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT CAUSE EVENTUALLY IT'S NOT OFF THE STREET. SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA USE IT AND SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA GET HURT. ERIK CRESPO.

I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO.

NOW, AS FOR THE [EXPLETIVE] BAG ON THE STREET, I COULDN’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE] WHO KILLED HIM, I REALLY COULDN’T CAUSE I DON’T LIVE HERE ANYMORE AND I DON’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE] ANYMORE.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, ALRIGHT. HOW ABOUT THIS? IF I COULD BRING YOU THE WEAPON PERSONALLY. IF I GO GET IT AND BRING IT TO YOU, LIKE YOU COME AND YOU GET IT.

DET PERINO.

WELL YOU’RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. BUT LISTEN TO WHAT I’M SAYING. GO ON WITH WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. I’M NOT GONNA LET YOU WALK OUT THE BUILDING GET IT AND COME BACK BUT GO AHEAD FINISH WHAT YOU’RE SAYING.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, IF I HAVE A WAY TO GET THE WEAPON.

DET PERINO.

UH HUM.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT’S GONNA HAPPEN?

DET PERINO.

NOTHING. YOU JUST GET THE WEAPON OFF THE STREET, PERIOD. END OF STORY. IT’S SO INTERESTING. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO USE THAT GUN YOU HAD. WANNA KNOW SOMETHING?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

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DET PERINO.

THERE’S ENOUGH COPS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED. THERE’S ENOUGH INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED OKAY. WE DON’T NEED THIS ANYMORE. SOME LITTLE GIRL MAYBE YOUR MOM. I TELL THIS TO EVERYONE. MAYBE YOUR MOTHER OR YOUR LITTLE SISTER COULD BE WALKING DOWN THE STREET SOMEDAY AND, GOD FORBID, AND THEY TAKE A BULLET, FROM SOME OTHER KNUCKLE HEAD WHO FIRES A WEAPON AND WHO’S FIVE (5) BLOCKS AWAY AND HIT A NINE (9) YEAR OLD GIRL RIGHT IN THE [EXPLETIVE] HEAD.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH, THAT COULD BE MY MOM.

DET PERINO.

RIGHT. THAT’S AN EXAMPLE OKAY. WHAT’S DONE IS DONE. ITS NOT GONNA . . YOU FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING. YOU REMOVE THE GUN OFF THE STREET, IT'S ONE GOOD THING. I DON’T CARE WHERE YOU STASHED IT OR WHO YOU GAVE IT TO. EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY WILL USE IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW ITS THERE. VERY RARELY THEY DESTROY, IT YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE ITS WORTH MONEY AND TECHNICALLY ITS PRETTY GOOD TO HAVE ONE AROUND. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU NEED ONE. OKAY, NOW UNLESS YOU’RE LICENSED LIKE ME YOU CAN CARRY THIS AND BIG [EXPLETIVE] WEAPONS AND MACHINE GUNS AND ALL OF THAT STUPID [EXPLETIVE]. YOU REALLY SHOULDN’T HAVE IT. ANOTHER THING. WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM? WHATEVER MORON GAVE YOU THAT GUN PROBABLY GAVE YOU A USED GUN. KID, YOU MIGHT BE HELPING ME SOLVE A HOMICIDE TO SOMEBODY ELSE YOU FOLLOWING ME. WE TELL ALL THE GUYS, ALL THE TIME. WHOEVER YOU GOT THE GUN FROM, WHETHER IT BE YOUR CLOSEST BEST FRIEND IN THE WHOLE [EXPLETIVE] WORLD, YOU KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THE GUN FROM?

ERIK CRESPO.

THE GUN WAS CLEAN.

DET PERINO.

HOW DO YOU KNOW? THE ONLY WAY THAT WE KNOW THAT THE GUN IS CLEAN IS I RUN IT ON THAT COMPUTER RIGHT THERE ON MY DESK. ANYTIME THEN WE FOUND GUYS WITH GUNS HERE IN THE CITY THAT THEY HAD PROBLEMS IN JERSEY, THAT HAD PROBLEMS DOWN SOUTH. NOT GUY THAT I GOT THE GUN BUT WHERE THE GUN CAME FROM AND YOU KNOW WHAT I TELL THESE GUYS? ALRIGHT LISTEN. YOU BOUGHT THE GUN FROM SOMEBODY. WHO DID YOU BUY IT FROM? CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU WERE NOT IN GEORGIA TWO 17

(2) WEEKS AGO SHOOTING SOMEBODY CAUSE YOU WERE HERE. NOW YOU’RE IN [EXPLETIVE] TROUBLE FOR CARRYING A GUN. HELP YOURSELF OUT. BE A SMART PERSON. WHO DID YOU BUY IT FROM? ERIK CRESPO.

DET PERINO.

IF YOU GOT IT FROM SOMEBODY, FINE. WHOEVER YOU GOT IT FROM, I DON’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE]. POINT I’M TRYING TO MAKE HERE ERIK IS, LETS GET THE [EXPLETIVE] ILLEGAL GUN OFF THE STREET.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT IF IT’S NOT ILLEGAL? WHAT IF IT’S LEGAL AND SOMEBODY OWNS IT?

DET PERINO.

IF SOMEBODY OWNS IT THEN THAT’S DIFFERENT. THEY WILL GET THEIR GUN BACK, YOU FOLLOWING ME? BUT YOU CANT, YOU KNOW, YOU CANT LEAVE THAT OPEN. THE FIRST THING THEY’RE GONNA ASK ME IS WHERE’S THE GUN? THAT’S THE FIRST THING THEY’RE GONNA ASK ME. THEY’RE GONNA WANNA KNOW WHOSE GUN IT IS? WHERE IT CAME FROM? THEY’RE GONNA WANNA KNOW ALL THAT [EXPLETIVE]. I HAVE TO DO SEPARATE ENHANCED . . . YOU SHOULD SEE HOW MUCH [EXPLETIVE] PAPER WORK I HAVE. FIRST OF ALL, I COULD [EXPLETIVE] STRANGLE YOU. I WAS GONNA SIT DOWN AND HAVE [EXPLETIVE] DINNER WITH MY FAMILY. . . A LATE DINNER.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT TIME IS IT?

DET PERINO.

FIVE MINUTES TILL MIDNIGHT. ALRIGHT, I COULD [EXPLETIVE] STRANGLE YOU. I WAS GOING TO SIT AND HAVE A LATE DINNER WITH MY FAMILY, WITH MY CHILDREN AND MY WIFE AND AT NINE THIRTY (9:30) OR TEN (10:00) THEY CALL ME TO COME BACK HERE. YOU COULDN’T LEAVE YESTERDAY? YOU COULDN’T LEAVE TOMORROW OR YESTERDAY? I WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN PISSED AT YOU. RIGHT NOW I’LL EAT IT, BUT TOMORROW WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST. ALRIGHT, LISTEN TO ME. I CAN SEE IT IN YOUR EYES YOU. WANNA TELL ME WHERE IT IS. DO YOU WANT ANYTHING ELSE TO DRINK? 18

ERIK CRESPO.

NAH, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPENED?

DET PERINO.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?

ERIK CRESPO

TO ME.

DET PERINO.

WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU?

ERIK CRESPO

YES.

DET PERINO.

YOU’RE GONNA BE PROCESSED, FINGERPRINTED, AND BROUGHT DOWN TO CENTRAL BOOKING.

ERIK CRESPO.

TODAY?

DET PERINO.

YEAH, IN A FEW HOURS.

ERIK CRESPO.

I’M I GOING TO SPEND THE NIGHT THERE?

DET PERINO.

YOU’RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND THE NIGHT THERE UNTIL YOU SEE THE JUDGE, AND THE JUDGE WILL PROBABLY BAIL YOU OR PROBABLY MAKE A BIG STINK ABOUT IT AT SOME POINT ILL TELL HIM YOU’RE BEING STRAIGHT UP WITH ME SO IT SHOULDN’T BE A BIG STINK ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE GO FROM THEIR ALRIGHT, YOU DON’T HAVE A RECORD, YOU HAVE A DAMN GOOD STORY FOR WHY YOU SHOOT , THIS PIECE OF JERK OFF, HE’S A JERK OFF I’M TELLING YOU. HE’S BEEN LIVING IN THAT BUILDING SINCE HE WAS SIX. HE MOVED AWAY BECAUSE HE’S A JERK OFF. HE COMES BACK AND HANGS OUT WITH HIS JERK OFF FRIENDS.

ERIC CRESPO.

HE HAD A GOOD START BEFORE_____

DET PERINO:

YEAH. I KNOW HE WAS STABBED BY A GUY RECENTLY OKAY. HE’S A JERK OFF. SO YOU GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. BUT I’LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, YOU GOT A LOT OF GOING FOR YOU. THE AGE WHEN YOU WERE SAYING TO ME WHAT YOU WERE READING ON THIS KID. I’M GOING TO TELL YOU, 17 YEAR OLD KID. HE’S GOT NO [EXPLETIVE] RECORD OTHER THAN MARIJUANA [EXPLETIVE] SUMMONS, MAYBE TRIED TO PASS SOME [EXPLETIVE] CHECKS THAT HE SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN [EXPLETIVE] WITH. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, HE’S JUST A CHILD. THAT’S NUMBER 6. SEE, I KEEP 19

TELLING YOU ABOUT [EXPLETIVE] THAT MAKES YOUR EYES OPEN WHEN I TELL IT TO YA. ERIC CRESPO.

THAT COULD HAPPEN FOR REAL THOUGH.

DET PERINO:

WHAT, MY JOB… I’M LUCKY TO DO MY JOB OKAY. IT’S THAT I REALLY, I DON’T WANT TO. I’VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 18 YEARS, ALRIGHT. THE FIRST THING THEY’RE GONNA ASK YOU IS ABOUT THAT GUN. YOU BELIEVE THEM, FINE. FIRST YOU GET KICKED ON THE BACK. WE COULD ALL UNDERSTAND WHY YOU’RE PROTECTING YOURSELF. ALRIGHT, LIKE I SAID, WHAT’S DONE IS DONE. RELAX, I GOT TO MAKE A PHONE CALL. I DON’T WANT YOU MISSING ME.

ERIC CRESPO.

ALRIGHT.

DET PERINO:

YOU WANT ANYTHING?

ERIC CRESPO.

NAH, I’M GOOD.

DET PERINO:

ALRIGHT.

ERIC CRESPO.

I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO [EXPLETIVE] DO MAN. I WISH I HAD SOME HELP. A LAWYER OR SOME [EXPLETIVE] MAN. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO [EXPLETIVE] DO. COMING BACK FOR ME TO WRITE A STATEMENT. THIS COP IS SO FAKE.

DET PERINO:

IF YOU’RE GONNA WRITE OUT YOUR OWN STATEMENT. HOLD ON, RELAX, TAKE IT EASY. IF YOU’RE GOING TO WRITE OUT YOUR OWN STATEMENT I’M GONNA WANT YOU TO WRITE IT OUT IN GREAT DETAIL. I’M NOT GONNA WANT YOU TO DO SHORT VERSION. I’M GONNA WANT THE LONG VERSION WITH ALL THE DETAILS. YOU FOLLOWING ME, OKAY? IF YOU’RE NOT CAPABLE OF THAT, TELL ME AND I’LL WRITE IT OUT AS YOU TELL ME. YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIC CRESPO.

YES.

DET PERINO:

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GOT TO PAINT THE PICTURE CAUSE NO ONE ELSE WAS THERE. OTHER THAN ME, OTHER THAN YOU AND THE OTHER GUY IN THE VIDEO CAMERA, OKAY? NOW LET’S GET BACK TO THE GUN ISSUE. YOU WERE GOING TO TELL ME SOMETHING BEFORE. WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO TELL ME? 20

ERIC CRESPO.

ALRIGHT, BEFORE I TELL YOU ANYTHING, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. YOU WANT ME TO BE REAL WITH YOU 100% GUARANTEED?

DET PERINO:

YES.

ERIK CRESPO.

ALRIGHT, SO I’M MA BE REAL WITH YOU. I WANT YOU TO BE REAL WITH ME RIGHT NOW. HOW MUCH IS BAIL COST?

DET PERINO:

I HAVE NO IDEA. I’M NOT A JUDGE, THAT’S UP TO THE JUDGE. I’M JUST A DETECTIVE. I’M NOT A JUDGE.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

SEE, THERE’S 3, THERE’S 3 FORMS OF GOVERNMENT HERE.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

THERE’S THE ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS ME. I’M THE ENFORCER. THERE IS THE COURT SYSTEM WHICH IS THE DA’S OFFICE, AND THERE’S THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WHICH IS THE JUDGE, OKAY?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

DO I KNOW HOW MUCH BAIL THEY GONNA PUT ON YOU? NO, I DON’T. I DON’T KNOW WHAT JUDGE YOU GONNA GET. I DON’T KNOW HOW HE’S GONNA FEEL ABOUT THE CASE. I DON’T KNOW IF HE’S GONNA THINK IF YOU’RE A MENACE TO [EXPLETIVE] SOCIETY AND REMANDS YOU. I DON’T KNOW. SO, I CAN’T TELL YOU THAT ANSWER CAUSE I DON’T HAVE IT, OKAY?

ERIK CRESPO.

AND, UM, IF I COOPERATE WITH EVERYTHING YOU WANT ME TO COOPERATE WITH, ARE YOU GUARANTEED TO LIKE I’M NOT GONNA BE SENT TO JAIL. I’M NOT GOING TO DO ANY TIME.

DET PERINO:

NO, I CAN’T GUARANTEE THAT EITHER. I’M JUST BEING STRAIGHT UP WITH YOU THAT YOU COULD BASICALLY, PROBABLY BEAT THIS CASE. YOU KNOW WHY? CAUSE YOU’RE NOT THE AGGRESSOR. YOU’VE NEVER BEEN IN TROUBLE BEFORE, OKAY? 21

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HUM.

DET PERINO:

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS YES, YOU CARRIED AN ILLEGAL GUN. YOU FIRED IT WITH YOUR EYES CLOSED BECAUSE YOU WERE SCARED AND WERE JUST TRYING TO [EXPLETIVE] SCARE THE GUY AWAY AND YOU ENDED UP HITTING HIM. YOU UNDERSTAND? MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT YOUR EYES OPEN, YOU WOULD HAVE MISSED HIM. BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO.

YES SIR.

DET PERINO:

A BOTTOM LINE IS A BOTTOM LINE. YOU DON’T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. YOU DON’T WANT TO GIVE ME A WRITTEN STATEMENT, THAT’S FINE TOO. I’LL JUST TAKE THAT VIDEO [EXPLETIVE] SHOVE IT RIGHT INTO…I’M NOT [EXPLETIVE] YOU. IT’S A GOOD VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHY CAN’T I SEE IT?

DET PERINO:

YOU JUMPED RIGHT INTO IT. BECAUSE IT’S THE ONLY COPY THAT I HAVE AND I’VE HAD GUYS COME OVER THE TABLE AND [EXPLETIVE] TRY TO DESTROY [EXPLETIVE] OF IT.

ERIK CRESPO.

YOU CAN HANDCUFF ME. I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT IT.

DET PERINO:

TRUST ME. I HAVE IT, OKAY? I HAVE MORE THAT ONE OF THEM. I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH FROM DIFFERENT [EXPLETIVE] ANGLES, OKAY? TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU I HAVE IT ALL ON VIDEO. YOU ASK ME ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ASK ME. LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

WHEN HE SHOWED YOU HE WAS STABBED WHEN HE PICKED UP HIS [EXPLETIVE] SHIRT LIKE THIS…

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH, YEAH.

DET PERINO:

HIS HAT WAS OFF WHEN HE WAS TALKING TO YOU FOR A LITTLE WHILE. HE THEN OPENED UP HIS PHONE WHILE HE

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WAS STANDING WITH HIS LEG HOLDING THE DOOR STANDING THERE LIKE THIS. HE HAD THE PHONE IN HIS HAND. ERIK CRESPO.

WHICH HAND?

DET PERINO:

RIGHT HAND, HE HAD IT IN HIS RIGHT HAND. YOU’RE LEFTHANDED. YOU PUSHED HIM OUT OF THE ELEVATOR 1 HOLDING THE GUN THEN BACKED BACK OFF INTO THE ELEVATOR. THE SECOND TIME YOU PUSHED HIM BACK OUT OF THE ELEVATOR WHEN YOU POPPED THE SHOT. YOU’RE LEFT-HANDED. YOU CAME IN WITH YOU RED [EXPLETIVE], WHAT THE HELL KIND OF JACKET IS IT?

ERIK CRESPO.

IT’S A NORTH FACE.

DET PERINO:

NORTH FACE, THAT’S RIGHT. I WAS GONNA SAY SOUTH. NORTH FACE JACKET, YOU HAD YOUR MAROONISH TYPE [EXPLETIVE] HAT ON WITH THE STUPID [EXPLETIVE] MEDALLION, NOT MEDALLION, HOLOGRAM [EXPLETIVE] UP ON THE BUCKING TOP OF IT, OKAY? UM, YOU WERE CARRYING A SHOPPING BAG IN YOUR RIGHT HAND WHEN YOU WALKED IN. THE FIRST PLACE YOU PUT IT DOWN WAS TO THE RIGHT OF THE ELEVATOR WHEN YOU STEPPED IN.

ERIK CRESPO.

THERE’S NO LIKE PICTURES…AND YOU CAN SEE WHEN I WALKED IN?

DET PERINO:

I COULD SEE YOU WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR. I SAW YOU WHEN YOU KEYED UP YOUR PHONE TO TELL PEOPLE UP ON THE THIRD FLOOR PARKING I TOLD YOU THAT.

ERIK CRESPO. DET PERINO:

THAT YOU WERE COMING IN. I KNOW THAT, BUT YOU DIDN’T GO TO THE SECURITY GUARD BECAUSE THE GUY YOU SHOT OPENED THE DOOR FOR YOU.

ERIK CRESPO.

THERE WAS NO SECURITY GUARD THERE.

DET PERINO:

WELL.

ERIK CRESPO.

CAUSE WHEN THE DUDE, AS SOON AS DUDE ASKED ME THAT I CHECKED THE SECURITY GUARD, YOU KNOW, SO THAT HE COULD TRY TO HELP ME OUT THERE. THERE WAS NO SECURITY IN THE BUILDING WHATSOEVER. 23

DET PERINO:

THAT’S AN ISSUE YOU’LL HAVE WITH THE BUILDING. UM, UM, LET’S SEE OKAY. I’LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING YOU DIDN’T TELL ME. A GENTLEMAN, MALE HISPANIC WITH A DARK JACKET CAME WALKING UP TO THE ELEVATOR WHEN YOU GUYS WERE IN. WHILE YOU GUYS WERE IN CONVERSATION ANOTHER MALE HISPANIC WALKED BY IN ALL WHITE PUTTING GARBAGE IN THE GARBAGE PAN. THE MALE HISPANIC THAT WALKED UP TO THE ELEVATOR TO PARK THERE TURNED AROUND AND WALKED UP THE STAIRCASE.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND I WAS TRYING TO TALK TO HIM. YO, YOU CAN’T HELP ME AND DUDE’S LIKE, OH YEAH, YOU SEE PEOPLE KNOW ME AROUND HERE, THEY AIN’T GONNA DO [EXPLETIVE] FOR YOU.

DET PERINO:

RIGHT AND HE WALKED AWAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT’S WHY I WAS SCARED.

DET PERINO:

AND THAT’S SOMETHING YOU DIDN’T TELL ME. NOW HOW WOULD I KNOW THAT?

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT’S WHY I WAS SCARED. THAT’S WHY I WAS SCARED.

DET PERINO:

BUT YOU HEAR WHAT I’M SAYING? HOW WOULD I KNOW THAT? IF I DIDN’T HAVE A VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO.

YOU COULD SEE IT?

DET PERINO:

ALRIGHT, I DO HAVE ‘EM ON VIDEO. I HAVE THE VIDEO CAMERA OF YOU WALKING INTO THE FIRST DOOR. I HAVE THE VIDEO CAMERA FROM THE SECOND DOOR. I HAVE A VIDEO CAMERA THAT’S OVER THE GARBAGE CAN THAT FACES THE DOOR IN THIS DIRECTION. I HAVE A VIDEO CAMERA THAT’S RIGHT OVER THE RIGHT SHOULDER LOOKING DOWN AT THE INCIDENT. THERE’S ANOTHER ONE ACROSS THE [EXPLETIVE] HALLWAY LOOKING INTO THE ELEVATOR. BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE LANDLORD OF THAT BUILDING OWNS 12 OTHER BUILDINGS. HIM AND HIS FATHER OWNED THEM IN THE 50’S.

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT’S A LONG TIME.

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DET PERINO:

HE’S A MILLIONAIRE [EXPLETIVE] BUT HE’S GOT A GOOD DIGITAL SYSTEM. HE’S GOT ALL THE BUILDINGS. HE’S GOT THAT ONE ACROSS THE STREET. HE OWNS ALL THE BUILDINGS ON THAT BLOCK. UM, SO IT’S CLEAR ABOUT THAT. OKAY, UM, CAN I ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU ABOUT THE ABOUT YOUR BAIL? NO, I CAN’T.

ERIK CRESPO.

OH AND WHEN CAN I SEE A JUDGE?

DET PERINO:

IT’S NOT GONNA BE TONIGHT. OBVIOUSLY.

ERIK CRESPO.

JUDGES DON’T WORK TOMORROW EITHER, RIGHT?

DET PERINO:

NO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE DOING ARRAIGNMENT BECAUSE THEN THINGS WILL GET BACKED UP. SOMEBODY WILL BE THERE BUT PROBABLY IT WILL ONLY BE ONE JUDGE. I DON’T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF PEOPLE BEING ARRESTED RIGHT NOW.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

CAUSE MOST OF THE COPS ARE AT THE DETAIL SO THERE’S VERY FEW COPS WORKING NOW BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE OFF ON VACATION.

ERIK CRESPO.

OR 42ND.

DET PERINO:

THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING THE DETAILS DOWNTOWN. THEY GOT LIKE [EXPLETIVE]…

ERIK CRESPO.

A LOT OF DETECTIVES OVER THERE THEN…

DET PERINO:

BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING? SO, I DON’T ANTICIPATE THERE’S A LOT OF ARRESTS GOING ON.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO YOU

DET PERINO:

SO THERE’S PROBABLY NOBODY IN THE COURT SYSTEM TODAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

NAH, THERE’S GONNA BE PEOPLE THERE.

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DET PERINO:

THERE’S ALWAYS GONNA BE PEOPLE THERE BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING? INSTEAD OF HAVING A THOUSAND OF EM THERE. THERE’S PROBABLY…

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, WHEN I GO TO SPOFFORD AND UI ROOM WHERE AM I GONNA BE PUT INTO? THE CELL?

DET PERINO:

YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND THERE’S PEOPLE IN THE CELL RIGHT? SO WHEN I GO THERE NOBODY’S LIKE, NOBODY’S GONNA [EXPLETIVE] WITH ME RIGHT?

DET PERINO:

NOBODY SHOULD [EXPLETIVE] WITH YOU, YOU GOT TO LEARN TO LEVEL WITH THEM.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO IF SOMEBODY’S [EXPLETIVE] WITH ME LIKE I’M GONNA HAVE TO FIGHT BACK FOR MINE’S RIGHT?

DET PERINO:

OF COURSE YOU CAN, BUT YOU’RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE GUARDING YOU. THERE’S NOBODY SITTING.

DET PERINO:

THERE’S NOBODY IN YOUR CELL BECAUSE THE [EXPLETIVE] CORRECTION OFFICERS ARE THERE.

ERIK CRESPO.

OH ‘CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, THEY DON’T JUST DO NOTHING. THEY LEAVE IT.

DET PERINO:

NAH.

ERIK CRESPO.

‘CAUSE MY FRIEND’S FATHER’S A CORRECTION OFFICER AND…

DET PERINO:

IT DEPENDS.

ERIK CRESPO.

I KNOW…

DET PERINO:

IT DEPENDS IF YOU’RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I CAN I CAN DO SOMETHING FOR YOU WITH THAT. I CAN DO SOMETHING FOR YOU WITH THAT.

ERIK CRESPO.

I AIN’T TRYING TO GET ROBBED OR NOTHING OVERNIGHT ‘CAUSE I’M IN SOME NEW [EXPLETIVE].

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DET PERINO:

I’M MA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THERE’S GONNA BE THINGS YOU GONNA KEEP AND THERE’S THINGS YOU NOT GONNA KEEP. I WILL LET YOU KEEP A FEW BUCKS, ALRIGHT? AND CHANGE.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH ‘CAUSE THEY TOOK A BUCK SEVEN FROM ME.

DET PERINO:

OH, I KNOW IT’S ALL IN THE VAULT.

ERIK CRESPO.

I HAVE NO MONEY.

DET PERINO:

ANYTHING THAT’S VALUABLE AND [EXPLETIVE] LIKE THAT I WILL CALL YOUR MOTHER TO COME PICK ‘EM UP.

ERIK CRESPO.

CAN I SEE MY MOTHER IF I GO OVER THERE?

DET PERINO:

OVER WHERE?

ERIK CRESPO.

TO SPOFFORD OR WHEREVER I’M GOING’?

DET PERINO:

MOST LIKELY I’LL LET YOU SEE YOUR MOTHER BEFORE HAND BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW COOPERATIVE, OKAY? I MEAN WE BOTH BEING REAL WITH EACH OTHER. I’M NOT LYING TO YA. I’M TELLING YOU THE TRUTH, OKAY? NOW WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT WITH THIS GUN FLOW? WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT?

ERIK CRESPO.

THE GUN?

DET PERINO:

YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO.

NOTHING REALLY.

DET PERINO:

ALRIGHT, WHERE IS IT? WHO’S IS IT?

ERIK CRESPO.

IT BELONGS TO SOMEBODY.

DET PERINO:

WHO DOES IT BELONG TO? JUST TRY ME OUT.

ERIK CRESPO.

A MAN THAT OWNS IT. I THINK HE OWNS IT.

DET PERINO:

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU THINK HE OWNS IT?

ERIK CRESPO.

‘CAUSE LIKE IT WAS IN HIS HOUSE. 27

DET PERINO:

OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

WELL I KIND OF’ TOOK IT AND I GUESS HE NEVER NOTICED.

DET PERINO:

RIGHT.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO.

DET PERINO:

AND YOU PUT IT BACK?

ERIK CRESPO.

YES SIR.

DET PERINO: THIS?

OH, DO YOU WANT THIS MAN TO GET INTO TROUBLE FOR

ERIK CRESPO.

NO.

DET PERINO:

ALRIGHT, WELL THE BEST TO DO, IN MY OPINION, IS TO TELL PEOPLE WHO IT IS AND WHERE IT IS TOO. THAT WAY WE CAN LET HIM KNOW THAT HE DIDN’T SECURE IT PROPERLY ENOUGH OR MAYBE HE DID AND YOU JUST TOOK IT AND BORROWED IT. YOU FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING? OKAY, BECAUSE IF IT WAS MY GUN I WOULD WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE HOW DID YOU GET MY GUN, TO BEGIN WITH AND HOW DARE YOU TOUCH MY GUN WHEN YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE, OKAY? YOU FOLLOWING WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO. DET PERINO:

YEAH. THAT’S HOW I WOULD FEEL. ALRIGHT, IF YOU WERE MY SON, AND THAT WAS MY GUN I’D BE MORE PISSED OFF THAT YOU WENT AND TOOK MY GUN THAN I WOULD BE AT YOU SHOOTING SOMEBODY. YOU FOLLOWING WHAT I’M SAYING? ‘CAUSE 1 I COULD UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SHOT SOMEBODY, YOU WERE SCARED, THE GUY CORNERED YOU…WHATEVER BUT ME, PERSONALLY, PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU AND MAYBE THIS PERSON HAD TOLD YOU, DON’T EVER TOUCH MY [EXPLETIVE] GUN. AND YOU DID. SO I’D BE PRETTY PISSED OFF ABOUT THAT MY SELF. YOU FOLLOWING ME? I THINK IT’S ONLY FAIR THE PERSON KNOW THAT.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU ALL OF THIS STUFF BUT I’M NOT GUARANTEED.

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DET PERINO:

I CAN’T GUARANTEE. LISTEN, I CAN’T GUARANTEE ANYTHING BECAUSE IT’S NOT MY POWER TO GUARANTEE ANYTHING.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO WHAT IS YOUR POWER?

DET PERINO:

MY POWER IS TO SIT DOWN HERE, TAKE A STATEMENT FROM YOU IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME ONE. ALRIGHT, AND BRING THAT TO THE DA AND THEN WHEN THE DA GOES, “DETECTIVE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?” I’M GONNA SAY, IT’S SIMPLE. ALRIGHT, IT’S SIMPLE, WATCH THE VIDEO. WHO’S THE AGGRESSOR? IS IT THE KID WALKING IN WITH THE SHOPPING BAG OR IS IT THE VICTIM WHO GOT SHOT IN EFFECT?

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT THEN DON’T WE LIKE GO TO COURT FOR THAT AND EVERYTHING? SO FOR TRIAL.

DET PERINO:

YOU MAY, YOU MAY. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DA’S OFFICE TELLS YA.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO IF I GO TO LIKE IF I GO TO COURT, I GO ON TRIAL, DON’T I GET TO SAY, I GET TO SAY MY OWN PART.

DET PERINO:

YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY YOUR OWN PART BUT BY THAT TIME, YOU PROBABLY WON’T BE ABLE TO BECAUSE YOUR ATTORNEY WILL TELL YOU NOT TO.

ERIK CRESPO. DET PERINO:

ANY WHY WOULD HE TELL ME NOT TO? BECAUSE HE’S BASICALLY GONNA LET …

ERIK CRESPO.

HIMSELF REPRESENT ME.

DET PERINO:

CORRECT, HE’S GONNA WANT…

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE BETTER THAT WAY IF YOU WAY. IF YOU WAS IN MY SHOES, TELL ME WHAT WOULD YOU DO, HONESTLY?

DET PERINO:

WHAT I WOULD DO?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH, HONESTLY?

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DET PERINO:

YOU BASICALLY DID IT ALREADY, YOU BASICALLY DID IT ALREADY, ALRIGHT. YOU’RE A 17 YEAR OLD KID I TOLD YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME [EXPLETIVE] IF YOU DON’T WANT TO TELL ME [EXPLETIVE].

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, HONESTLY IF YOU WAS IN MY SHOES.

DET PERINO:

I’M NOT BEING…YOU DID IT ALREADY. I’M TELLING YOU. YOU DID IT ALREADY.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT I DID?

DET PERINO:

YOU TOLD ME ABOUT IT. THAT’S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

I GUARANTEE YOU’VE BEEN LAYING LOW [EXPLETIVE] SWEATING, WONDERING. YOU KNOW, AM I SUPPOSED TO GIVE ANOTHER COUPLE DAYS? NO, YOU CALLED HER THAT NIGHT AFTER SHE TIPPED YOU OFF THAT I WAS CALLING. UM, VERY UPSET, VERY CONFUSED, DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO. YOU WERE BABBLING. WHERE THE [EXPLETIVE] YOU BEEN HIDING BY THE WAY?

ERIK CRESPO.

ME?

DET PERINO:

YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO. DET PERINO:

IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER. YEAH IT DOES. WHERE YOU BEEN HIDING?

ERIK CRESPO.

IT DOESN’T MATTER.

DET PERINO:

COME ON, I WANNA SEE IF I WAS THERE AND MISSED YOU. WHERE WERE YOU HIDING?

ERIK CRESPO.

I WAS WITH MY GIRL.

DET PERINO:

YEAH, ALRIGHT. UM, BUT YOU CALLED ALL CONFUSED SO LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. I BET YOU BEEN RUNNING AROUND LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO.

ERIK CRESPO.

HELL YEAH. 30

DET PERINO:

ALRIGHT, I BET YOU, YOU HAD A HARD TIME AT FIRST TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR MOTHER WHAT HAPPENED.

ERIK CRESPO.

SHE WANTED TO BEAT MY ASS.

DET PERINO:

RIGHT, BECAUSE SHE PROBABLY DOESN’T UNDERSTAND WHY SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAPPEN.

ERIK CRESPO.

SHE WAS LIKE, WHY YOU DID IT? WHY DIDN’T YOU JUST GIVE WHAT HE WANTED? BUT YOU WORK HAD TO BUY ME THINGS.

DET PERINO:

THERE’S NOBODY [EXPLETIVE] ____. THAT’S THE POINT I’M MAKING.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, IF YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY, WHY DO YOU NEED ME TO LIKE ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS.

DET PERINO:

WELL, FOR 2 REASONS, (1) IT’S JUST A MORE THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, ON MY PART AND (2) I’M GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY. YOU DON’T HAVE TO IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. I’LL PICK THIS PAPER UP AND LEAVE THE [EXPLETIVE] ROOM RIGHT NOW. BUT JUST REMEMBER, THIS WHEN COMES TIME, THE VICTIM’S GONNA COME UP THERE ALL [EXPLETIVE] UP WITH HALF HIS FACE [EXPLETIVE] MISSING.

ERIK CRESPO. DET PERINO:

WHERE’D I HIT HIM AT? NEAR THE MOUTH.

ERIK CRESPO.

IN THE MOUTH?

DET PERINO:

YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO.

WOW, PEOPLE WERE SAYING I HIT HIM IN THE CHEST.

DET PERINO:

HE’S GONNA COME IN ALL [EXPLETIVE] UP AND HE’S GONNA GIVE HIS VERSION OF HIS STORY IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HUM

DET PERINO:

ANY YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO.

ERIK CRESPO.

DID YOU ALREADY INTERVIEW HIM? WHAT’S HIS STORY? 31

DET PERINO:

OH, NAH, HE’S STILL GOT TUBES STICKING OUT OF HIM. UM, HE’S COHERENT BUT HE JUST CAN’T SPEAK ‘CAUSE HE’S GOT TUBES IN HIS MOUTH.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, HE HAD TO GIVE IN THE WRITTEN STATEMENT?

DET PERINO:

NAH, I HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO GET NEAR HIM. WELL, ACTUALLY THAT’S NOT TRUE, I HAVE GONE NEAR HIM BUT I HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO VERBALLY SPEAK TO HIM.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, YOU HAVEN’T EVEN WRITTEN DOWN A STATEMENT.

DET PERINO:

HE’S IN A [EXPLETIVE] HOSPITAL BED ALL [EXPLETIVE] UP YO. ALRIGHT, UM, HE’S ALIVE, SO YOU DIDN’T KILL HIM. UM AND HE’S GONNA LINGER INTO COURT ON HIS OWN AND HE’LL BE ABLE TO GIVE HIS VERBAL STATEMENT OF WHAT HAPPENED. AND YOU’RE GOING TO BE TOLD TO SIT THERE QUIETLY WHILE YOUR ATTORNEY TAKES IT APART. YOU FOLLOWING WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO.

AND HIS VERBAL STATEMENT IS?

DET PERINO:

I WAS MINDING MY OWN [EXPLETIVE] BUSINESS. THIS GUY STARTED GIVING ME BEEF.

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT THAT’S NOT IT CAUSE YOU COULD SEE ON THE CAMERA. INSTEAD OF HIM LEAVING THE BUILDING HE APPROACHES ME.

DET PERINO:

I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO WHY WOULD YOU STAY IN THE BUILDING AND APPROACH ME? OBVIOUSLY HE’S ASKING FOR SOMETHING.

DET PERINO:

I’M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND TRY TO ____DATA WITH YA.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH, BUT YOU CAN GIVE ME LIKE A FIRST HAND EXPLANATION OF WHAT’S GONNA HAPPEN.

DET PERINO:

I’M TELLING YA WHAT’S GONNA HAPPEN. SIMPLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YA I’VE BEEN WORKING IN THE BRONX FOR 18 YEARS.

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ERIK CRESPO.

SO, IF YOU SAYING I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE…

DET PERINO:

YOU GOT A GOOD CHANCE OF BEATING THIS WHOLE [EXPLETIVE] CASE BEING A SCARED LITTLE 17 YEAR OLD WHO’S ARMED PROTECTING HIMSELF. AND I’M NOT TELLING YOU TO WRITE ANYTHING DOWN THERE THAT ISN’T THE [EXPLETIVE] TRUTH. I’M NOT GONNA ADD WORDS INTO YOUR MOUTH. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS JUST WHAT YOU SAID.

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HUM.

DET PERINO:

OKAY, AND THAT’S WHEN YOU’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY. THAT’S WHEN YOU’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE FEELING AT THE TIME AND WHAT YOU TRIED TO DO. YOU CAN NARRATE THAT WHOLE [EXPLETIVE] THING EXACTLY TO THAT [EXPLETIVE] VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT’S WHAT IT WOULD _______

DET PERINO:

ERIK CRESPO.

THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS. YEAH BUT IF YOU DON’T, YOU DON’T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR STATEMENT AND THE FIRST THING YOUR ATTORNEY’S GONNA DO IS WHEN HE WALKS IN THE DOOR IS, “DON’T SAY A WORD, I’LL TAKE CARE OF IT. IS THE ATTORNEY THERE?” WHAT ABOUT HIRING AN ATTORNEY?

DET PERINO:

INSTEAD?

ERIK CRESPO.

MY OWN ATTORNEY?

DET PERINO:

IT DON’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. HE’S AN ATTORNEY. HE NOT GONNA LET YOU GET ON THE STAND AND OPEN YOUR MOUTH. HE’S NOT.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHY NOT?

DET PERINO:

BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET IN A COURT, IN COURT OF LAW, THEY TWIST THINGS AROUND.

ERIK CRESPO.

HOW SO?

DET PERINO:

VERY SO. FIRST THE POLITICS. DEPENDS ON HOW THEY ASK THE QUESTION, OKAY? 33

ERIK CRESPO.

I SEE, I SEE.

DET PERINO:

WHAT I WILL DO FOR YOU RIGHT NOW IS I WILL READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS. THAT’S THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND ALL THAT STUPID [EXPLETIVE] YOU USED TO SEE IN THE TELEVISION AND NEWS. YOU WILL SIGN IN. THE LAST THING IS ARE YOU WILLING TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS? THEY’RE YES OR NO QUESTIONS, ALRIGHT? YOU WRITE YES, YOU WRITE NO AFTER THAT THEN I CAN TAKE A WRITTEN STATEMENT FROM YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING? IF YOU DON’T WANT TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, YOU DON’T WANT TO GIVE ME A WRITTEN STATEMENT. THAT’S FINE WITH ME TOO, OKAY? ‘CAUSE REMEMBER YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL ANYBODY YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY, OKAY? FROM THAT MOMENT ON.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, IF I AGREE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, CAN MY MOTHER, CAN BE HERE WITH ME?

DET PERINO:

THEY’RE NOT REALLY QUESTIONS. YOU’RE GONNA TELL YOUR STORY, OKAY? AND YOUR 17 YEARS OLD, YOU DON’T NEED YOUR MOTHER HERE LEGALLY. YOU’RE AN ADULT.

ERIK CRESPO.

AIN’T AN ADULT 18?

DET PERINO:

UNDER 16, REMEMBER ALL THE [EXPLETIVE] YOU GOT HERE BEFORE. WERE THEY ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT?

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT WAS MINOR.

DET PERINO:

YOU WERE A BABY.

ERIK CRESPO.

IT WAS MINOR. I DIDN’T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING WITH ME. I WAS ARRESTED WITH 2 OTHER PEOPLE AND ONLY BY SECURITY.

DET PERINO:

LISTEN.

ERIK CRESPO.

‘CAUSE THEY HAD WEED ON THEM AND JUST ‘CAUSE WE WERE ALL SMOKING TOGETHER THAT’S WHY THEY ARRESTED US. BUT I DIDN’T HAVE NOTHING ON ME, THAT’S WHY THEY LET ME GO. THE OTHER KID HE WORKED UP AT THE

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STOCKROOM, THE OTHER KID I WAS WITH AND HE WAS MY AGE. DET PERINO:

YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT THIS WAY TOO ALRIGHT. IT’S NOT LIKE YOU’RE SAYING ANYTHING THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN, OKAY?

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HUM

DET PERINO:

IT’S NOT LIKE YOU’RE SAYING ANYTHING DIDN’T HAPPEN, ALRIGHT? IT’S NOW LIKE I’M SAYING, OKAY I GOT TO CALL THIS KID INTO SOMETHING ‘CAUSE I WANT TO BE A BIG BAD [EXPLETIVE] DETECTIVE HERE. I DON’T. I’M TELLING YOU POINT BLANK, YOU WANT TO TELL ME SOMETHING, YOU WRITE OUT A STATEMENT FOR ME, THAT’S FINE BY ME. I GET UP, START THE PAPERWORK, GET ON MY MERRY WAY. BUT I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT PIECE OF [EXPLETIVE] GONNA WALK INTO COURT AND HE’S GONNA TELL HIS SIDE OF THE STORY AND ALL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY IS GONNA BE THAT VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO.

I’LL BE ABLE TO TALK.

DET PERINO:

UH-UH. I GUARANTEE YOU WON’T BE. I GUARANTEE IT.

ERIK CRESPO.

‘CAUSE MY LAWYER WAS SAYING TO ME NOT TO GO ON THE STAND. WHAT IF I CHOOSE TO GO ON THE STAND?

DET PERINO:

HE’S GONNA [EXPLETIVE] HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DON’T. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THEN THAT OTHER GUY…

ERIK CRESPO.

HE’S GONNA RECOMMEND BUT IT’S MY CHOICE IF I WOULD LIKE TO GO UP THERE OR NOT.

DET PERINO:

IT’S TRUE OR NOT BUT LIKE I SAID, I’M NOT GONNA DEBATE WITH YOU, GO OVER PROCEDURES WITH YA. YOU KNOW IF YOU GO UP IN FRONT A COURT OF LAW, IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY’S DA AND YOU GET UP THERE, THEY COULD ASK ANY QUESTION THEY WANT WHICH HE’S NOT GONNA WANT.

ERIK CRESPO.

‘CAUSE IF YOU’RE SAYING I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE, SO IF I GO TO COURT WOULDN’T THEY HAVE THE UPPER HAND ALSO? 35

DET PERINO:

NO, THAT’S NOT TRUE ‘CAUSE THEY COULD PROVE INTENT.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT’S THAT?

DET PERINO:

YOU’RE GETTING INTO YOU’RE A PRETTY SMART KID. YOU’RE GETTING INTO WATERS WHICH WOULD TAKE A VALLEY TO DISCUSS BACK AND FORTH.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH ‘CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT I’M GETTING MYSELF INTO BEFORE I START ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.

DET PERINO:

‘CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU’RE THE INNOCENT 17 YEAR OLD KID WHO WAS BEING [EXPLETIVE] HARASSED BY A GUY IN THE ELEVATOR. CORNERED BY A GUY IN THE ELEVATOR, THE WAY YOU TOLD ME THE STORY IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT HAPPENED. AND I TOLD YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO THEN IF YOU HAVE THE STORY DOWN PAT AND IF I ALSO GO TO COURT.

DET PERINO:

YOU’RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANY OF THAT?

ERIK CRESPO.

YOU’RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANY OF THAT? SO IF YOU SAYING I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE, WHY NOT JUST TAKE IT TO COURT SO I COULD WIN THIS CASE.

DET PERINO:

BECAUSE, IN COURT THEY’LL TURN AROUND AND THEY’LL SAY WAIT A MINUTE, HE’S SAYING THAT YOU’RE THE ONE.

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT THAT’S GONNA HAVE YOU SAYING THAT I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE.

DET PERINO:

I’M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING UNLESS I HAVE A WRITTEN STATEMENT FROM YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND? TECHNICALLY WE JUST [EXPLETIVE] RIGHT NOW.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO IF I SOMETHING DOWN. SO, ALRIGHT YEAH.

DET PERINO:

UNDERSTAND ME, I HAVE TO READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS LEGALLY IN ORDER TO TAKE ANY WRITTEN OR VERBAL STATEMENTS FROM YOU. WE’RE JUST [EXPLETIVE] RIGHT NOW. AND BASICALLY I TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THAT JUST 36

HAPPENED BEFORE YOU EVEN TOLD ME WHAT HAPPENED. YOU FOLLOWING ME? I BASICALLY TOLD YOU THE WHOLE [EXPLETIVE] INCIDENT. ERIK CRESPO.

I TOLD YOU THE INCIDENT. YOU JUST TOLD ME THE OTHER THINGS.

DET PERINO:

YEAH, I KNOW THAT BUT I BASICALLY TOLD YOU I KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT IT ANYWAY. YOU COULD ASK ME ANYTHING YOU WANT.

ERIK CRESPO.

I ALREADY TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THAT THERE IS.

DET PERINO:

YOU DIDN’T TELL ME ABOUT KENNY AND THE GUN.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT ABOUT KENNY AND THE GUN?

DET PERINO:

YOU ONLY TOLD ME THE 3RD, YOU ONLY TOLD ME THE 3RD, YOU ONLY SAID YOU WERE VISITING SOMEONE ON THE 3RD FLOOR. AND THEN YOU DID SAY KENNY. BUT I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT APARTMENT THERE.

ERIK CRESPO. DET PERINO:

‘CAUSE YOU VISITED HIM. ‘CAUSE I WAS THERE.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND YOU ASKED HIM QUESTIONS. YOU GOT A STATEMENT FROM HIM. I SPOKE TO HIM. THAT’S RIGHT, I SPOKE TO HIM. HE SAID THAT HIS FATHER. SO THEREFORE YOU WOULD KNOW WITHOUT TALKING TO ME.

DET PERINO:

CORRECT, I WOULD KNOW.

ERIK CRESPO.

YES.

DET PERINO:

I KNOW EXACTLY I TOLD YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE ALREADY.

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HUM

DET PERINO:

YOU GO TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, IT’S YOUR DECISION TO MAKE IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME A WRITTEN OR A VERBAL STATEMENT.

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ERIK CRESPO.

ALRIGHT, SO TELL ME AGAIN IF YOU WAS IN MY SHOES, RIGHT NOW WOULD YOU SAY THE STATEMENT? YES OR NO. HONESTLY, ‘CAUSE YOU AND I BOTH KNOW YOU’VE BEEN HERE FOR 18 LIKE YOU LIKE…

DET PERINO:

I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD.

ERIK CRESPO.

YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT’S GONNA HAPPENED.

DET PERINO:

I WOULD, YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN TELL ME IN YOUR OWN WORDS, OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

WHAT YOU FELT AT THAT TIME.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, IF I COULD TELL YOU. WHY CAN’T I TELL THE COURT ROOM?

DET PERINO:

BECAUSE IN COURT IT’S DIFFERENT. YOUR ATTORNEY’S GONNA SAY, DON’T OPEN YOUR MOUTH IN COURT. THEY PUT YOU ON THE STAND, THE PROSECUTOR CAN GET UP IN THE COURT AND SHOW DIFFERENT INTENT.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHICH IS?

DET PERINO:

YOU WEREN’T SCARED. YOU DID IT PURPOSELY. YOU PICKED A FIGHT WITH THE GUY.

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT THEY HAVE IN ON CAMERA.

DET PERINO:

BECAUSE YOU WERE A BIG MAN, YEAH BUT THEY DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON.

ERIK CRESPO.

THE MAN’S 24 YEARS OLD, I’M 17 AND I’M GONNA BE STARTING SOMETHING WITH HIM.

DET PERINO:

LIKE I SAID, I COULD DEBATE THIS WITH YOU FOR 4 HOURS. IT’S LIKE GOING TO LAW SCHOOL.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

OKAY, I CAN’T. YOU DON’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. 38

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, YOU SAID IF I GIVE YOU A STATEMENT, YOU SAID YOU WOULD BACK ME UP RIGHT?

DET PERINO:

I WON’T HAVE TO BACK YOU UP. YOUR STATEMENT WILL BE [EXPLETIVE] YOUR BACK UP.

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT I’M ASKING LIKE IF YOU SEEN I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE SO YOU SAID IF I WRITE THE STATEMENT.

DET PERINO:

YOU LOOKING AT ME TO GIVE YOU A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD. IT’S NOT HAPPENING.

ERIK CRESPO.

NAH, I’M NOT SAYING A JAIL OUT OF FREE CARD. I’M SAYING LIKE, YOU JUST SAID LIKE, YOU SAID FOR ME TO WRITE DOWN A STATEMENT AND I SAID IF I WRITE DOWN A STATEMENT I SAID WOULD YOU BACK ME UP, YOU SAID YES ONLY IF I WRITE THE STATEMENT DOWN.

DET PERINO:

YEAH ‘CAUSE YOUR STATEMENT WOULD BE YOUR BACKUP. I’M NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO YOU WOULD BACK ME UP ON MY STATEMENT?

DET PERINO:

IMMA SAY YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO.

BEING THAT I DO HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE SAYING THAT I’M NOT THE ONE THAT WAS LOOKING FOR THE FIGHT THAT I AM TRYING TO AVOID IT.

DET PERINO:

I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO ASK ME TO DO FOR YA. YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO A COURT OF LAW AND SAY HE’S A GOOD KID, HE DIDN’T MEAN TO DO THIS.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

IT WILL BE IN YOUR STATEMENT. I WON’T HAVE TO DO IT. IT WILL COME OUT OF YOUR WORDS, IT WILL BE YOUR WORDS, OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, NOT MINE. YOU FOLLOWING ME? I’M JUST A DETECTIVE INVESTIGATING THE CASE AND I’M TELLING YOU STRAIGHT UP, YOU DON’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO, OKAY? I’M EXPLAINING THAT TO YOU. I WILL READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS. YOUR RIGHTS WILL TELL YOU, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT, 39

THAT MEANS YOU DON’T HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME ANYTHING. ERIK CRESPO.

UH HUM

DET PERINO:

AND OUR CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW DOES NOT EXIST. YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO.

YES.

DET PERINO:

BUT IN ORDER FOR OUR CONVERSATION TO EXIST, IN ORDER FOR YOUR WORDS TO BE ON THE RECORD, I HAVE TO READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS AND EITHER WRITE THE STATEMENT OUT FOR YOU OR HAVE YOU WRITE IT OUT. THAT’S WHY I SAID ARE YOU CAPABLE OF WRITING IN YOUR OWN WORDS. THAT WAY I CAN’T BE ACCUSED LATER BY SOMEBODY SAYING THAT CHANGED YOUR STATEMENT. YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO.

YES.

DET PERINO:

SO, I HAVE TO GO IN A SWORN COURT OF LAW AND SAY THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THIS KID TOLD ME THIS HAPPENED. HERE’S THE VIDEO. LISTEN TO HIS WORDS. LOOK AT THE VIDEO. WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? GET UP THERE AND SAY HE’S THE [EXPLETIVE] GREATEST KID IN THE WORLD.

ERIK CRESPO.

NO, NO, I’M NOT SAYING THAT ‘CAUSE I’M NOT SAYING FOR YOU TO SAY HE’S THE GREATEST KID IN THE WORLD.

DET PERINO:

BUT DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH, SO CAN YOU FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING THEN ALRIGHT?

DET PERINO:

YEAH BUT THAT’S WHAT I’M ASKING YOU. WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? WHAT YOU ASKING ME TO DO? STAND UP AND SAY…

ERIK CRESPO.

ALRIGHT LIKE YOU SAID THAT I HAVE THE UPPER HAND IN IT. YOU SAID THAT I WALKED UP INTO THE BUILDING AND THAT THIS GUY, THAT HE’S FOLLOWING ME.

DET PERINO:

THAT HE’S THE AGGRESSOR.

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ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH, YOU COULD SEE HE’S THE AGGRESSOR. SO WOULDN’T I HAVE THE UPPER HAND THERE?

DET PERINO:

IF YOUR ATTORNEY ASKED ME IN THE COURT OF LAW, WHO’S THE AGGRESSOR IN YOUR OPINION DETECTIVE, I WOULD SAY THE GUY THAT GOT SHOT.

ERIK CRESPO.

ALRIGHT SO ISN’T THAT WHAT THE COURT NEEDS FOR THE TRIAL?

DET PERINO:

PROBABLY I TOLD YOU THAT TO BEGIN WITH, YOU’D PROBABLY BEAT THIS CASE. THE ONLY BAD PART OF THE THING IS, IS THAT YOU DID TAKE A GUN AND YOU FIRED A GUN. THAT’S THE ONLY THING I COULD SEE THAT IS GIVING YOU A HARD TIME ABOUT IT, OKAY? NOW THE QUESTION IS, IS DO THEY BELIEVE THAT? AT THAT POINT, WOULD THEY BELIEVE IF YOU WERE THIS TYPE OF LITTLE 17 YEAR OLD KID THAT WAS SCARED FOR HIMSELF AND JUST HAD A GUN ON. THAT I CAN’T ANSWER ‘CAUSE I’M NOT SITTING IN THE JURY BOX. WHAT’S DONE IS DONE. I COULD SEE YOU CLOSING YOUR EYES AND FIRING THE GUN. THAT’S BEEN DONE BEFORE, YOU UNDERSTAND?

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HUM

DET PERINO:

BUT I CAN’T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YOU’RE ASKING ME TO TELL YOU THE FUTURE. IF I COULD TELL YOU YOUR [EXPLETIVE] FUTURE, I’D TELL THE 6 [EXPLETIVE] NUMBERS.

ERIK CRESPO.

I’M NOT ASKING YOU TO TELL THE FUTURE. I’M ASKING YOU ‘CAUSE LIKE YOU KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE YOU BEEN IN THIS FOR 18 YEARS AND YOU UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO:

THE ONLY THING I COULD SAY TO YOU IS THIS AND THIS IS THE TRUTH. IF THEY EVENTUALLY SEE THE VIDEO, I SAID RIGHT AWAY THIS KID IS GONNA BEAT THE CASE BECAUSE HE’S NOT THE AGGRESSOR. HE’S NOT THE AGGRESSOR AND I ALSO SAID TO MYSELF HE DOESN’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT IF HE DOESN’T WANT TO. I’VE GOT IT ALL ON [EXPLETIVE] VIDEO.

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ERIK CRESPO.

SO, IF I GIVE YOU A STATEMENT AND A TRAIL DOES HAPPEN, WILL YOU GO TO COURT SAYING THAT I AM NOT THE AGGRESSOR THEN?

DET PERINO:

YEAH, THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S GONNA BE IN YOUR STATEMENT. I’M NOT GONNA SAY THIS IS THE KID THAT, THIS IN THE KID THAT TURNED AROUND AND…

ERIK CRESPO.

SO, IF WE GO TO COURT, YOU ARE GONNA BE THERE?

DET PERINO:

I HAVE TO BE THERE. I’M THE GUY TAKING CHARGE OF THE CASE.

ERIK CRESPO.

OH I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO:

YOU FOLLOWING WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO:

JUST TRY AND UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT NOW.

ERIK CRESPO.

I’M JUST TRYING TO GET IT STRAIGHT FOR MYSELF THIS HAPPENED FOR THE FIRST TIME.

DET PERINO.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, NOW I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO YOUR MOM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO YOUR, WHAT MOTHER'S BOYFRIEND?

ERIK CRESPO.

WHOEVER. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

DET PERINO.

WHOEVER, OK, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU SPOKE TO. OK I TECHNICALLY CAN'T TAKE A LEGAL STATEMENT FROM YOU WITHOUT READING YOU YOUR RIGHTS. NOW FROM MY POINT OF VIEW AS DETECTIVE IN THIS TYPE OF CASE, I DON'T NEED A CONFESSION OUT OF YOU, I DON'T NEED A STATEMENT OUT OF YOU BECAUSE I HAVE A VIDEO TAPE.

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HUM.

DET PERINO.

SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO ME, THAT'S

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[EXPLETIVE] FINE BY ME OK. IF YOU WANNA ARTICULATE, TELL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND AT THE TIME, ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED TO YOU WHEN YOU WALKED INTO THAT BUILDING BEFORE YOU PULLED OUT SOMEBODY'S GUN AND [EXPLETIVE] FIRED AND SHOT THIS GUY AND ACTUALLY HIT HIM BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME YOUR EYES WERE CLOSED. ERIK CRESPO.

YES, SIR

DET PERINO.

THAT'S UP TO YOU, YOU CAN TELL ME THAT IN YOUR OWN [EXPLETIVE] HANDWRITING, OK. IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME WHERE THIS GUN IS, THAT'S FINE TOO. THAT'S UP TO YOU, OK. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL ME ANYTHING THAT'S FINE TOO, THAT'S FINE TOO. IN MY POINT OF VIEW, I DON'T NEED YOUR STATEMENT TO LOCK YOU UP AND PUT YOU IN. AND IF WE ALL JUST SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR THE TRIAL TO COME BACK UP AND SEE WHAT THE TWELVE (12) PEOPLE IN THE BOX BELIEVE, THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW OK. ESPECIALLY IF I'M SITTING THERE KNOWING THAT YOU'RE ON [EXPLETIVE] VIDEO. YOU GONNA TELL ME [EXPLETIVE] IT'S LIKE SAYING THOSE ARE NEWSPAPERS. IT'S LIKE ME SAYING THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST ROLLING PAPERS. EVERYBODY WOULD LOOK AT YOU AND GO THEY'RE NOT ROLLING PAPERS, THEY'RE [EXPLETIVE] NEWSPAPERS. ALRIGHT, IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING THOSE NEWSPAPERS THERE ARE MAGAZINES. THEY'RE NOT NEWSPAPERS, THEY'RE MAGAZINES. YOU FOLLOW ME? IT'S LIKE APPLES AND ORANGES OKAY. JUST SAY AND UNDERSTAND, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME [EXPLETIVE] IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL ME. YOU DON'T ALRIGHT, I HAVE A VIDEO.I TAKE THAT VIDEO, I GO TO THE COURT AND THAT'S THAT. TECHNICALLY I'M GONNA TAKE A RIDE OVER TO THE HOSPITAL AND GO SEE IF I COULD TALK TO THE VICTIM, I'VE BEEN THERE THREE (3) TIMES THREE (3) TIMES HE'S BEEN SO [EXPLETIVE] UP HE COULDN’T TALK TO ME, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN UH? AND LIKE I SAID I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO YOUR FRIEND'S OR IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO FAMILY OR WHAT THEY TOLD YOU TO DO. YOUR MOM’S BOYFRIEND, ISN’T HE A RETIRED COP? OR IS IT THE OLD BOYFRIEND?

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ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT OLD BOYFRIEND?

DET PERINO.

YEAH OK HE'S GOT COPS IN HIS FAMILY, DOESN'T HE? HE CALLED UP SOMEONE HE KNEW.

ERIK CRESPO.

HE DOESN'T HAVE COP FRIENDS.

DET PERINO.

NAAH, HE’S GOT COP FRIEND'S.

ERIK CRESPO.

FRIENDS IN COPS IN THE FAMILY NOT THAT I KNEW OF.

DET PERINO.

YEAH HE CALLED SOMEBODY.

ERIK CRESPO.

HIS FRIENDS.

DET PERINO.

HE CALLED SOMEBODY IN REGARDS TO A WARRANT THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT?

DET PERINO.

BECAUSE I SPOKE TO HIM AND HE TOLD ME.

ERIK CRESPO.

HE TOLD YOU THAT?

DET PERINO.

YEP, HE TOLD ME RIGHT AWAY, I SPOKE TO MY FRIENDS OVER THERE AND HE SAID IF THEY GOT A WARRANT OUT THERE FOR HIM. ITS OBVIOUS THAT HE DID IT. THOSE WERE HIS EXACT WORDS.

ERIK CRESPO.

HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS GONNA BE AT THE AIRPORT?

DET PERINO.

AH THESE ARE THE TRICKS AND TRADES OF BEING A DETECTIVE.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

DET PERINO.

OKAY, DON’T YOU WATCH TELEVISION? DON’T YOU WATCH THE MOVIES? WE WATCH ALL THE AIRPORTS, WE WATCH ALL THE BUS TERMINALS, WE WATCH ALL THAT [EXPLETIVE], OKAY. YOU MAKE RESERVATIONS, WE WATCH PEOPLE'S CREDIT CARDS.

ERIK CRESPO.

IS THAT ILLEGAL?

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DET PERINO.

NAAH, NOT WHEN YOU HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE.

ERIK CRESPO.

WITHOUT A WARRANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

DET PERINO.

AND WHAT'S THAT?

DET PERINO.

PROBABLE CAUSE MEANS LEGAL REASONS IN THE COURT OF LAW, TO DO SOMETHING, SEE IF I DO IT WITHOUT THE BACKING OF THE LAW OR THE COURT, THEN IT'S ILLEGAL. THAT'S WHY ALL THE [EXPLETIVE] ITALIANS AND MAFIA PEOPLE AND DRUG DEALERS GET OFF.

ERIK CRESPO.

OH

DET PER1NO.

CAUSE THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH TO USE PHONES THAT CAN'T BE TRACED AND [EXPLETIVE] LIKE THAT. BUT ONCE AGAIN WE’RE GETTING INTO A SUBJECT THAT WE SHOULDN’T BE SITTING HERE TALKING TO WITHOUT FIVE (5) HOURS EASILY. BOTTOM LINE IS IT THIS HERE. OKAY, I'M GONNA BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU. OKAY, UM, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. IT CAN'T BE CHANGED, YOU WANT TO TELL ME YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY, THAT'S FINE. I READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS, YOU WRITE DOWN IN YOUR OWN HANDWRITING EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. THAT'S YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY.

ERIK CRESPO.

CAN YOU WRITE IT FOR ME AND I DICTATE IT?

DET PERINO.

IT WILL NEVER BE CHANGED , I CAN DO THAT TOO IF YOU WANT.

ERIK CRESPO.

I WOULD LIKE THAT CAUSE MY HANDWRITING IS KIND OF SLOPPY.

DET PERINO.

OKAY, I REALLY DON'T CARE HOW SLOPPY YOUR HANDWRITING IS, TAKE YOUR TIME. OKAY, AND WRITE IT OUT IN YOUR OWN WORDS. THAT WAY I COULD NEVER BE ACCUSED OF PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED ERIK.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH.

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DET PERINO.

THAT'S FINE WITH ME TOO, OK IT REALLY IS. COULDN’T CARE LESS CAUSE I HAVE A VIDEO TAPE, ALRIGHT, BUT YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AGAIN.

DET. PERINO.

THAT'S TRUE THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING. THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT I'M MAKING, OKAY . IN A COURT OF LAW WHEN YOU COME IN THERE, YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY. HE'S GONNA TELL YOU, SHUT YOUR [EXPLETIVE] MOUTH. I'LL DO ALL THE TALKING, THAT'S WHAT YOUR PAYING HIM THAT MUCH MONEY TO DO. AND IT'S GONNA BE HIS JOB TO TWIST AROUND WHATEVER THE [EXPLETIVE] COMPLAINT IS IN THE CASE. WHO IS THE GUY THAT GOT SHOT. HIS JOB WOULD BE TO TWIST EVERYTHING AROUND IN MIND THAT IT DOESN'T HELP YOU IN A COURT OF LAW. HIS JOB IS TO GET YOU OFF THE HOOK.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO WHAT IS THE STATEMENT FOR THEN?

DET PER1NO. ERIK CRESPO.

IT'S YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY. ITS EXACTLY HOW TOLD IT AT THE TIME. EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH ERIC. GIVE ME A SECOND. I'M WORKING ON TWO (2) OTHER SHOOTINGS. UI . IT DOESN'T WORK.

DET. PERINO.

YEAH, IT DOES. I'M GETTING READY TO GET IN MY OLD AGE.

ERIK CRESPO.

YOU'RE NOT THAT OLD, YOU'RE ONLY LIKE THIRTY FIVE (35) FORTY (40).

DET. PERINO.

YEAH, I'M FORTY (40) BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING WHEN YOU BURN A CANDLE AT BOTH ENDS, YOU ONLY GET THREE (3) HOURS OF SLEEP AT NIGHT.

ERIK CRESPO.

DAMN.

DET. PERINO.

YEAH THREE (3) HOURS.

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT SUCKS.

DET. PERINO.

UI . . . LAST DAY

ERIK CRESPO.

EIGHTY EIGHT (88) IS RIGHT THOUGH.

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DET PER1NO.

MAYBE I'M THINKING ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT I KNOW YOUR AUNT IS JESSICA AND HER BABY, BUT HE'LL TALK. ALL I GOT TO DO IS RE-READ THE CASE.

ERIK CRESPO.

HOW DID YOU GET THE ADDRESS OVER THERE?

DET. PERINO.

YOU USED IT BEFORE?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH, IT’S ON MY ID.

DET. PERINO.

YEP, YOU USED EM BEFORE SO THAT POPPED UP. I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE MARIJUANA SUMMONS YOU HAD.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT SUMMONS? I’M NOT GONNA PAY THE TICKET OR NOTHING, I WAS FINED. I WAS JUST LET GO THE SAME DAY.

DET. PERINO.

THEY LET YOU GO?

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH CAUSE I WAS NEVER ACCUSED OF NOTHING.

DET. PERINO.

I BET THEY GAVE YOU A SUMMONS

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT SUMMONS? I’M NOT GONNA PAY THE TICKET OR NOTHING I WAS FINED. I WAS JUST LET GO THE SAME DAY.

DET. PERINO.

THEY LET YOU GO.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH CAUSE I WAS NEVER ACCUSED OF NOTHING. I NEVER HAD ANYTHING. IT WAS THE KID I WAS WITH.

DET. PERINO.

HE HAD A SISTER. WAS IT?

ERIK CRESPO.

MY SISTER?

DET. PERINO.

NAH HIS SISTER. YOUR SISTER’S A BABY.

ERIK CRESPO.

NAH A FRIEND OF OURS.

DET. PERINO.

OH O RITE WHAT IS HER NAME CAME TO PICK US UP. I THINK UM. YA YOU USED THAT ADDRESS. YOU USED THAT ADDRESS IS ON BALCOM. THIS STUFF IS BASIC STUFF. 47

ERIK CRESPO.

BASIC STUFF TO KNOW.

DET. PERINO.

BASIC STUFF TO KNOW AS A DETECTIVE. YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. AND WHAT TO LOOK

ERIK CRESPO.

HOW DO YOU GET INFORMATION LIKE THAT?

DET. PERINO.

THROUGH THE COMPUTERS. THROUGH BACKGORUND CHECKS. YOU LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE EVERYBODY PUTS THEIR NAME DOWN, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, DATE OF BIRTH, SCHOOL RECORDS. [EXPLETIVE] LIKE THAT.

ERIK CRESPO.

EVERYTHING YEAH.

DET. PERINO.

NOTHING’S A SECRET. UNLESS YOU VANISHED START ALL OVER AGAIN. BUT NOTHIN’S A SECRET. YOU KNOW. BUT THE GOOD CONVERSATION WHERE YOU . . . GO OFF O RITE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT UM YOU DON’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. I’LL BE STRAIGHT UP WITH YOU KID. YOU CAN IF YOU WANT. YOU DON’T HAVE TO IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. I AINT GONNA LIE TO YA. O RITE. IT’S NOT LIKE I’M SOLVING A HOMICIDE HERE. ITS NOT LIKE I NEED I DON’T NEED IT OKAY. I’VE GOT A VIDEO. I GOT A VIDEO AND EVENTUALLY STUPIDS GONNA HAVE HIS TUBES PULLED OUT OF HIM AND I’M GONNA SAY WHAT HAPPENED? OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT IF HE DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING EITHER?

DET. PERINO.

IT DOESN’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I STILL HAVE VIDEO. I STILL HAVE VIDEO OF YOU SHOOTING SOMEBODY. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT I GOT A VIDEO OF YOU SHOOTING HIM. THAT’S IT. SO WE’LL JUST LEAVE IT UP TO THE COURTS AND THE JURY TO DECIDE. NOW AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE, I DON’T KNOW WHO YOU SPOKE TO BEFORE, YOUR FRIENDS OR YOUR FAMILY. I DON’T KNOW WHAT DID YOUR MOTHER SAY ABOUT THIS? DID YOUR MOTHER SAY COME IN HERE AND DON’T TELL THE POLICE ANYTHING. WHAT DID YOUR MOTHER SAY?

ERIK CRESPO.

SHE DIDN’T TELL ME NOTHING. 48

DET. PERINO.

OK.

ERIK CRESPO.

SHE WAS SHOCKED. SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO TELL ME.

DET. PERINO.

DID YOU TALK TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS? NOBODY GIVE YOU ANY HEADS OF WHAT TO DO? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?

ERIK CRESPO.

I DON’T KNOW. IM CONFUSED RIGHT NOW.

DET. PERINO.

WHAT ARE YOU CONFUSED ABOUT?

ERIK CRESPO.

ON WHAT I SHOULD DO

DET. PERINO.

YOU KNOW I CAN’T ANSWER THAT FOR YOU SON, YOU GOT TO ANSWER THAT YOURSELF. ALL I COULD SAY IS WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED AND IT CAN’T BE CHANGED. IT HAPPENED. YOU CANT GO BACK IN TIME AS MUCH AS WE ALL WISH TO

ERIK CRESPO.

UM HUM.

DET. PERINO.

OK. YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME YOU’RE SIDE OF THE STORY OF THE EVENT THAT HAPPENED. OR YOU CAN TELL ME YOU’RE SIDE OF THE STORY OF THE EVENT THAT HAPPENED. WHEN I FIRST SAW THE VIDEO I THOUGHT YOU GUYS KNEW EACH OTHER AND THIS WAS OLD BEEF. THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION I ASKED HENNY.

ERIK CRESPO.

HE ALWAYS DOWN THERE IN THAT NEIGHBOORHOOD.

DET. PERINO.

HE SAID IT AIN’T FROM HERE. I DO KNOW YOU’RE IN AND OUT THAT BUILDING A LOT TO SEE HENNY. YOU WERE IN THE DAY BEFORE, YOU WERE IN ON THE TWENTY FIRST (21ST), THE TWENTY THIRD (23RD) YOU HAD NO HAT ON THAT TIME UM. YOU WERE IN A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE THAT YOU NEED A SWIPE CARD TO GET IN. SO I CAN TELL EXACTLY WHAT TIME HENNY CAME IN AND THEN WHAT I DO IS I JUST GO BACK IN THE VIDEO AND LOOK FOR HENNY AND GUESS WHO I SEE STANDING NEXT TO HIM. OH IT’S NOT HENNY. AS 49

SOON AS I SAW THE TAPE OF IT I SAID I SAID I DON’T KNOW IF THIS KID LIVES HERE CAUSE HE DIDN’T GO THROUGHT THE GUARD AND HE DIDN’T SWIPE THE DOOR AND I SAW THE OTHER ANGLE AND THE GUY OPENED THE DOOR FOR HIM. THE SAME GUY THAT’S GIVING BEEF AND THE PROBLEM IN THE HALLWAY. AND I SAY BUT WAIT A MINUTE ON THE TAPE YOU SEE HIM KEYING SOMEBODY UP. KINDA LIKE MAYBE A GIRL. I THOUGHT THE PERSON MIGHT BE THE GIRL FROM DOESN’T HE HAVE A GIRLFRIEND IN THAT BUILDING? ERIK CRESPO.

NAAH.

DET. PERINO.

OH OK.

ERIK CRESPO.

IT’S ANOTHER PERSON.

DET. PERINO.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER GUY AT FIRST BUT HIS GIRLFRIEND APARTMENT 4D. I DON’T KNOW NOBODY FROM THAT AREA.

ERIK CRESPO. DET. PERINO.

I THOUGHT IT WAS HER AND I WENT TO HER RIGHT AWAY. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE GUY WHO WAS SHOT KNOWS THAT GIRL AND HE WAS AT HER APARTMENT EARLIER SO YA THAT’S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS HER BOYFRIEND. IT WASN’T. AND THEN UM I SAID WELL THIS KID DOESN’T LOOK LIKE HE LIVES HERE. SO LETS GO BACK ON THE TAPE TO SEE WHO HE’S COMING TO SEE MAYBE IT’S A GIRL, MAYBE IT’S A FRIEND. LOW AND BEHOLD, THE DAY BEFORE YOU’RE STANDING THERE WITH HENNY AND THE OTHER GUY AND THEN I WENT BACK TO THE . . . YOU’RE WEARING THE SAME SUIT DUDE. YOU’RE WEARING THE SAME [EXPLETIVE] THE SAME JACKET, THE SAME [EXPLETIVE] HAT, LETS KEEP GOING BACK. THERE’S NUMEROUS OCCASIONS DATING BACK THAT YOU’RE TOGETHER.

ERIK CRESPO.

UM HUM.

DET. PERINO.

SO EASY. I WENT TO THAT PAGE I WENT TO MANAGEMENT I SAID TO MANAGEMENT. WHOSE THAT KID? AND THEY SAID LETS LOOK AT FILES. THEY LOOKED IN THEIR FILES AND THEY SAID HE LIVES IN APT 3E, I THINK IT IS. 50

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH, 3E.

DET. PERINO.

I SAID OKAY THANKYOU. I WENT FROM THERE RIGHT UPSTAIRS TO 3E AND THEN HENNY WHO’S GOT A VERY BAD ATTITUDE.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT DID HE SAY?

DET. PERINO.

BASICALLY HE GAVE ME THE SAME KIND OF [EXPLETIVE] RIGHT OFF THE BAT AS ANY OTHER JERK OFF WOULD ON THE STREET

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT HE SAID?

DET. PERINO.

HE DIDN’T WANT TO SAY NOTHING AND I SAID TO HIM ARE YOU STUPID? I PULLED OUT MY LITTLE [EXPLETIVE] THING. AND I TOLD HIM LOOK HERE STUPID, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CAMERAS ARE IN THIS BUILDING? YOU GONNA TELL ME YOU DON’T KNOW THIS [EXPLETIVE] KID. I LOOKED AT HIS FATHER, I’M GONNA LOCK HIM UP FOR [EXPLETIVE] OBSTRUCTION.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT THAT OBSTRUCTION?

DET. PERINO.

HE’S OBSTRUCTING MY INVESTIGATION WITH HIS BULL [EXPLETIVE]. AND HE DIDN’T BELIEVE ME UNTIL I SAID, GET THE [EXPLETIVE] OUT I’LL PUT YOUR SHOES & COAT ON YOU. YOU’RE COMING WITH ME. AND THEN RIGHT AWAY, “WAIT A MINUTE, HE’S MY FRIEND.” I SAID LISTEN WHAT YOUR FRIEND DID, HE DID, HE CAN’T [EXPLETIVE] CHANGE IT. YOU WEREN’T THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED. HE WAS AND I GOT IT TO A POINT WHERE I GUARANTEE HE TOLD WHAT HAPPENED. EVERYBODY IN THE [EXPLETIVE] BUILDING HEARD THE SHOT AND YOU’RE KNOCKING IN HIS DOOR. WHICH BASICALLY AT FIRST HE MIGHT YOU KNOW MAYBE IT WASN’T ME OR I WASN’T THERE OR WHATEVER THE [EXPLETIVE] CASE WOULD BE. BUT THEN HENNY KINDA TOOK HIS HAND A LITTLE BIT AND LAST I SAW . . . . I JUST KNEW BY LOOKING AT HIM YOU’RE FULL OF [EXPLETIVE]. I KNOW YOU’RE FULL OF [EXPLETIVE] AND I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. AND THEN I GRILLED HIM A LITTLE BIT MORE 51

AND FINALLY HE UNDERSTOOD WHERE I WAS COMING FROM CAUSE I TRY TO BE STRAIGHT UP WITH EVERYBODY. MURDERERS I’VE BEEN STRAIGHT WITH ACROSS THE TABLE. I TOLD A GUY SITTING IN THAT SAME CHAIR WHO CUT UP HIS GIRLFRIEND’S BEST FRIEND INTO PIECES. I KNOW WHAT THE [EXPLETIVE] HAPPENED. ERIK CRESPO.

DAMN.

DET. PERINO.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU DID. THE REASON IS THERE IS ONE THING I DON’T KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO CASES LIKE THIS AND THIS IS WHY.

ERIK CRESPO.

YEAH WHY?

DET. PERINO.

WHY THEY HAPPEN?

ERIK CRESPO.

I ALREADY TOLD YOU WHY.

DET. PERINO.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THIS IS THE EXAMPLE I’M GIVING YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND? I WANNA KNOW WHY. NOW EVEN IF I WENT TO A COURT OF LAW AND THEY SAID YOU DID TAKE A STATEMENT FROM HIM. YOU I TOOK A STATEMENT FROM HIM. THEY’RE GONNA [EXPLETIVE] ACCUSE ME OF TRICKING YOU, THEY’RE GONNA ACCUSE ME OF [EXPLETIVE] PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. THEY ALWAYS DO THAT TO THE DETECTIVES. I’M THE BIGGEST [EXPLETIVE] LIAR IN THE WORLD WHEN THEY BRING ME INTO THE COURT. I PRESSURED THIS GOOD BOY INTO IT. YOU UNDERSTAND? I DON’T. I DON’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE] IF YOU GIVE ME A STATEMENT OR NOT. I DON’T. I’LL GET RIGHT THE [EXPLETIVE] UP, GO BACK TO MY DESK AND THERE HAVE ANOTHER CUP OF COFFEE AND A CIGARETTE AND START DOING ONLINE BOOKING. I HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE HERE NOW THAT WITH OR WITHOUT THAT STATEMENT, I CAN LOCK YOU UP. SAME THING LIKE THE OTHER GUY WHO CUT THE WOMAN TO PIECES I SAID I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND I TOLD HIM THE WHOLE [EXPLETIVE] STORY. THE DAY AFTER THE COURT ORDER THIS IS HOW THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION WOULD START OFF WITH, I INTRODUCE MYSELF, I EXPLAIN I’M PICKING UP THE INVESTIGATION 52

AND I TOLD THAT YOUNG MAN I KNEW EXACTLY EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED. HOW’D YOU KNOW THAT? I SAW A VIDEO TAPE. YOU DID THE STEPS I TOOK TO GET THE VIDEO TAPE RIGHT UP TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WERE SITTING ACROSS THE TABLE FROM ME AND I TOLD HIM YOU DON’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. I HAVE TO READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS IN ORDER TO TAKE A STATEMENT FROM YOU. I READ THOSE MIRANDA RIGHTS IN ORDER TO TAKE A STATEMENT FROM YOU. I READ THOSE MIRANDA RIGHTS, YOU SIGNED AND DATED THOSE MIRANDA RIGHTS AND THEN I ASKED YOU. DO YOU WANT TO WRITE IT OUT IN YOUR HAND WRITING? THAT WAY YOU COULD TELL EVERYBODY YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY WHAT I’LL SAY IN A COURT OF LAW. TELLING HIM AGAIN YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME ANYTHING IF YOU DON’T WANT TO CAUSE I DON’T, I DON’T NEED IT NOW. IF I NEEDED YOU. ERIK CRESPO.

CAN I THINK ABOUT MY STATEMENT?

DET. PERINO.

IF I NEEDED YOUR CONFESSION, I WOULD HAVE CAME IN HERE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN NOT TAKING A CONFESSION. YOU FOLLOWING ME? IF I CAME IN HERE AND TALKED TO YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN NOT TELLING YOU. I’M TELLING YOU POINT BLANK. YOU DON’T WANT TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT; FINE I DON’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE]. BUT JUST REMEMBER I’M NEVER GONNA HAVE YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY WHEN I WALK INTO THE COURT OF LAW.

ERIK CRESPO.

SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THE OTHER GUYS STATEMENT?

DET. PERINO.

BECAUSE….HE UH I CAN TALK TO HIM CAUSE HE’S THE VICTIM. HE’S A SCUMBAG, BUT HE’S THE VICTIM. YOU FOLLOWING ME? HE CAN GO UP THERE SIT ON THE CAN, TELL THEM WHATEVER THE [EXPLETIVE] HE WANTS TO TELL THEM.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND IM GONNA HAVE NO SAY IN IT.

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DET. PERINO.

THE JUDGE WILL TELL YOU NO, NOT WITH A COURT LAWYER NO. THE JUDGE WILL TELL YOU, SHUT THE [EXPLETIVE] UP. YOU GOT AN ATTORNEY.

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT IF HE HAS …

DET. PERINO.

WHAT SHOWS DO YOU WATCH?

ERIK CRESPO.

MOSTLY LIKE CARTOONS

DET. PERINO.

AH YOU’RE STILL YOUNG BUT DO YOU EVER SEE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE COURT OF LAW?

ERIK CRESPO.

SOMETIMES YEAH.

DET. PERINO.

DO YOU EVER SEE THAT GUY SITTING THERE ON TRIAL OPEN HIS MOUTH? THINK ABOUT IT. IF THEY PUT HIM ON THE STAND.

ERIK CRESPO. DET. PERINO.

THAT’S IF THEY PUT HIM ON THE STAND. THAT’S ONLY ON [EXPLETIVE] TELEVISION VERY RARELY THAT HAPPENS. THE REASON THEY DO THAT IS CAUSE ONCE YOU’RE ON THE STAND THE PROSECUTOR CAN ASK YOU WHATEVER THEY WANT, ON ... AND THEY COULD ASK WHATEVER THEY WANT. YOUR CASE IT’S GONNA BE THAT I’M THE PERSON HERE AND I WAS SCARED AND I ONLY DID THIS TO SHOW THE GUY AWAY. THEY’LL TURN IT AROUND AND WORD IT IN A WAY WHERE YOU WEREN’T SO [EXPLETIVE] INNOCENT. THAT YOU WERE BEING A TOUGH GUY WITH THAT GUN AND STILL GET THE WORDS IN IT ENOUGH TO HAVE YOU ANSWER CERTAIN QUESTIONS FOR THE 12 IDIOTS IN THE [EXPLETIVE] BOX WILL BELIEVE IT. YOU FOLLOWING ME? ALRIGHT, SO LIKE I SAID, IT’S UP TO YOU WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

ERIK CRESPO.

DO I HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT? OR NO?

DET. PERINO.

WELL YOU DON’T HAVE ALL THAT MUCH TIME BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT. SURE OK. WELL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, I CANT GO ANY FURTHER. I GOT TO WAIT FOR YA YOU KNOW . I WANNA HEAR YOU GIVE ME YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. OK AND I 54

CAN’T GO TO THE COURT OF LAW WITHOUT IT, BUT ONCE I GO INTO NOBODY’S GONNA ASK YOU YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY AGAIN ERIK CRESPO.

AND WHY IS THAT?

DET. PERINO.

BECAUSE.

ERIK CRESPO.

WOULDN’T THEY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THEMSELVES?

DET. PERINO.

YEAH THEY GONNA WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BUT THEY’LL DO IT THROUGH YOUR ATTORNEY. WHAT IS YOUR ATTORNEY GONNA SAY WHEN THE VIDEO IS PUT UP ON THE SCREEN? THAT’S NOT HOW HE FELT, THAT’S NOT WHAT HE MEANT TO DO. HOW DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT, THEY WEREN’T THERE, YOUR ATTORNEY WASN’T THERE. THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION AS PROSECUTOR

ERIK CRESPO.

IT WAS JUST ME AND THE OTHER GUY

DET. PERINO.

HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW HE FELT. THAT’S HOW I WOULD SAY IT. OH, HOW’D YOU KNOW HOW HE FELT, YOU WEREN’T THERE. BUT WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT IT, HE DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING TO ME. HE DIDN’T GIVE ME A STATEMENT

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT I DID SAY SOMETHING TO YOU.

DET. PERINO.

LEGALLY I CAN’T GO INTO THE COURT OF LAW AND TELL THEM ANYTHING WITHOUT READING YOU YOUR RIGHTS. YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO.

EVERYTHING MY RIGHTS IS, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT

DET. PERINO.

ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN THE COURT OF LAW, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY

ERIK CRESPO.

SO EVERYTHING THAT I SAY HERE

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DET. PERINO.

NO NO NO NO, IF I READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS AND YOU SIGN YOUR MIRANDA WARNINGS, ANYTHING YOU SAY NONE BECOMES RIGHTS.

ERIK CRESPO.

AND IT CAN BE USED AGAINST ME

DET. PERINO.

CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU. DON’T LET THAT [EXPLETIVE] TRICK YOU, WHAT YOU TELLING ME THAT DIDN’T ACTUALLY HAPPEN? YOU FOLLOWING ME

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HMMMM

DET. PERINO.

ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU WERE SCARED?

ERIK CRESPO. DET. PERINO.

YA ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU WEREN’T THE AGGRESSOR?

ERIK CRESPO.

I WASN’T THE AGGRESSOR. I DIDN’T EVEN WANT ANYTHING TO [EXPLETIVE] DO WITH IT

DET. PERINO.

BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING? YOU EVEN TOLD ME THERE WAS A WITNESS THERE YOU ASKED TO HELP YOU OUT.

ERIK CRESPO.

ALL THAT GUY DID WAS TRY TO WALK IN THE ELEVATOR

DET. PERINO.

THAT GUY CAME TIRED TO WALK TO THE ELEVATOR, TURNED AROUND AND WALKED AWAY. DID HE SPEAK ENGLISH OR SPANISH?

ERIK CRESPO.

I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T THINK HE SPOKE ENGLISH. HE JUST WALKED AWAY

DET. PERINO.

HE DIDN’T SAY A WORD. WHAT ABOUT THAT GUY THAT WALKED BY WITH THE GARBAGE

ERIK CRESPO.

HE DIDN’T EVEN LOOK

DET. PERINO.

THEY GUY WITH THE GARBAGE? YES HE LOOKED, HE LOOKED, YOU CAN SEE HIS FACE IN THE VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO.

HE DIDN’T EVEN LOOK AT ME. I WAS THE ONE WITH THE INTENTIONS, BUT I WAS LIKE, MR, CAN YOU HELP?

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DET. PERINO.

ALL I WANT TO HEAR IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT THAT’S FINE. IF YOU DON’T WANT TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT YOU DON’T WANT TO TELL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY THAT’S FINE TOO. EITHER WAY I NEED A DECISION AND IM NOT PRESSURING YOU. OK. LIKE I SAID IVE GOT ENOUGH ON VIDEO TAPE TO SHOW ALL THE EVIDENCE . AND AS SOON AS THAT VICTIM CONTROLS THE TUBE OUT IN HIS MOUTH, HE’S GONNA TELL ME HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. AND ILL TAKE HIS SIDE OF THE STORY AND THE VIDEO GO INTO THE COURT, TELL THE DA’S OFFICE TO PROSECUTE YA. THAT’S IT.

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT IF YOU KNOW THAT IM NOT THE AGGRESSOR HERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING. WHY WOULD I BE GUILTY?

DET. PERINO.

THAT’S CORRECT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT I CANT TELL ANYBODY WHAT WE SAY CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE’RE JUST SHOOTING THE [EXPLETIVE] YOU UNDERSTAND ME? JUST ME, YOU, ME AND THE 4 WALLS ARE SHOOTING THE [EXPLETIVE]. LEGALLY I DON’T HAVE A STATEMENT FROM YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND?

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT IF , BUT IF, IF YOU SAID YOU SAID YOU KNOW EVERYTHING THAT’S HAPPENED. SO IF YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW WOULDN’T YOU TRY TO HELP ME WIN THIS CASE?

DET. PERINO.

NO, I’M NOT GONNA TRY TO HELP YOU WIN IT. I’M NOT GONNA TRY TO HELP YOU LOSE, I’M DOING AN INVESTIGATION

ERIK CRESPO.

BUT IF YOU KNOW WHAT’S RIGHT

DET. PERINO.

IF SOMEONE ASKED ME WHAT MY OPINION WAS

ERIK CRESPO.

YA

DET. PERINO.

OKAY ABOUT HOW YOU FELT, I CAN’T GIVE EM THAT. IM NOT YOU AND I WASN’T THERE. SO I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU FELT. IF THEY ASK ME WHAT DID YOU SEE ON THE VIDEO THAT YOU TOOK THAT WOULD HELP MAKE A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, I JUST TELL THEM WHAT I 57

SEE. YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE? IF THOSE TWO QUESTIONS WERE POSED IN COURT, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY? HOW DID ERIC FEEL AT THE TIME DETECTIVE? YOU GONNA HEAR THAT PERSON JUMP UP OUT OF THE [EXPLETIVE] CHAIR AND NO I OBJECT ERIK CRESPO.

HOW LONG WAS I IN THE ELEVATOR FOR?

DET. PERINO.

I THINK THE WHOLE THING WAS ABOUT MAYBE 7 MINUTES. IF THAT

ERIK CRESPO. DET. PERINO.

SO WOULDN’T THEY YOU WEREN’T IN THE ELEVATOR VERY LONG. ONCE HE GOT SHOT AND FELL BACK, DROPPED HIS [EXPLETIVE] CELL PHONE AND HAT THE DOOR CLOSED AND YOU WALKED TO THE WINDOW TO SEE WHAT [EXPLETIVE] DIRECTION HE WAS [EXPLETIVE] GOING IN

ERIK CRESPO.

YES CAUSE I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED.

DET. PERINO.

THE DOOR CLOSED

ERIK CRESPO.

CAUSE WHEN HE RAN. I THOUGHT I MISSED HIM I JUST SEEN HIM RUN OUT

DET. PERINO.

NAH HE WAS IN A LOT OF PAIN UM THE DOOR CLOSED YOU SEEMED PRETTY CALM YOU PICK UP YOUR [EXPLETIVE] BAG AS SOON AS THE DOOR OPENED, IT OPENED ON THE 2ND FLOOR AND NOT THE 1ST FLOOR AND YOU MADE THE RIGHT

ERIK CRESPO.

AND I DIDN’T KNOW WHERE THE HELL I WAS AT

DET. PERINO.

YOU WENT OUT THE ELEVATOR AND YOU WENT TO THE 2ND FLOOR EVEN WHEN YOU PRESSED THE 3RD FLOOR BUTTON

ERIK CRESPO.

I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 3RD FLOOR

DET. PERINO.

WHEN YOU FIRST GOT INTO THE ELEVATOR YOU DIDN’T SEE THE BIG [EXPLETIVE] 2 ON THE DOOR WHEN THE ELEVATOR DOOR OPENED?

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ERIK CRESPO. THERE

I WAS NERVOUS MISTER. I JUST RAN MY ASS OUT OF

DET. PERINO.

YA YOU WERE. YOU’RE LEFT HANDED AREN’T YOU? GOING IN YOU OUTSIDE POCKET JACKET IT WASN’T IN YOU WAIST BAND IT WASN’T IN YOUR LOWER POCKET IT WAS IN YOUR JACKET HERE. WHICH BY THE WAY YOU PUT YOUR HAND IN THAT POCKET BEFORE YOU WALKED IN THAT ELEVATOR.

ERIK CRESPO.

I KNEW HE WAS BEHIND ME

DET. PERINO.

LIKE I SAID UM ALL I COULD DO IS TAKE THE STATEMENT FROM YOU OR NOT TAKE THE STATEMENT FROM YOU. RIGHT NOW ME AND YOU JUST [EXPLETIVE]. OKAY, ARE THEY GONNA SAY, WHAT DID HE TELL YOU? AT THIS POINT, HE DIDN’T TELL ME ANYTHING BECAUSE LEGALLY I CANT TALK TO YOU WITHOUT READING YOU YOUR RIGHTS. WE’RE [EXPLETIVE] RIGHT NOW FOR MY PIECE OF MIND. I’M LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON. IM LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON FROM THE MOMENT YOU WALKED INTO THAT BUILDING THAT NIGHT. BY THE WAY, WHEN DID YOU LEAVE THAT BUILDING?

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT SAME NIGHT

DET. PERINO.

DID YOU REALLY? WHAT TIME?

ERIK CRESPO.

PROBABLY ABOUT 3

DET. PERINO.

3 IN THE MORNING

ERIK CRESPO.

4

DET. PERINO.

EVERYBODY WAS GONE BY THEN, CAUSE I WAS KINDA , I WAS CONVINCED YOU STAYED THE NIGHT, I WAS CONVINCED YOU STAYED THE NIGHT BUT THEN AGAIN I DIDN’T SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRE [EXPLETIVE] THING. I HAVE, IT’S A LOT OF [EXPLETIVE] VIDEO

ERIK CRESPO.

YEH IT RECORDS THE WHOLE DAY 59

DET. PERINO.

IT’ S A LOT OF [EXPLETIVE]… 3 OR 4 WHAT IN THE MORNING OR THE NEXT DAY IN THE AFTERNOON?

ERIK CRESPO.

THE SAME DAY

DET. PERINO.

AT NIGHT

ERIK CRESPO.

UH HMMMMM

DET. PERINO.

3 IN THE MORNING OR 4 O CLOCK IN THE MORNING WERE YOU WEARING THE SAME CLOTHES? CAUSE WE WERE THERE TIL ABOUT. I WORKED THAT NIGHT. I WORKED UNTIL 3 O CLOCK IN THE MORNING, 4 OCLOCK IN THE MORNING UP HERE AT THAT POINT I LEFT.

ERIK CRESPO.

I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO [EXPLETIVE] DO

DET. PERINO.

YOU ALRIGHT?

ERIK CRESPO.

YA

DET. PERINO.

I EXPLAINED THE WHOLE SITUATION TO THEM ALRIGHT. I TOLD THEM, I WAS JUST AS STRAIGHT UP WITH THEM AS I WAS WITH YOU. UH YOUR MOM WANTS TO SEE YOU, I TOLD HER I WILL ALLOW HER TO SEE YOU ALRIGHT SHE’S WORRIED ABOUT IF YOU’D HAD ANYTHING TO EAT. I TOLD HER THAT’S NOT A PROBLEM. YOU COULD BRING HIM FOOD IF YOU’D LIKE OR I’LL MAKE SURE HE GETS SOMETHING TO EAT, WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO DO. YOU HAVE PROPERTY THAT IM GOING TO TAKE FROM YOU AND INSTEAD OF VOUCHERING IT, I’M MA GIVE IT TO YOUR MOM

ERIK CRESPO.

ALRIGHT

DET. PERINO.

ALRIGHT I THINK THAT’S COOL BECAUSE IT’LL TAKE YOU [EXPLETIVE] A HUNDRED YEARS ONCE YOU GET BAILED OUT OF JAIL, TO GET IT BACK ALRIGHT AND JUST ONE PIECE OF . . . UM I TOLD YOUR MOTHER THAT I WASN’T GONNA LET HER COME UP UNTIL I CAME BACK UP HERE AND SPOKE TO YOU. AND TO SEE IF YOU MADE A DECISION IF YOU WANTED TO TELL ME YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY OR NOT OKAY. 60

ERIK CRESPO.

CAN I SPEAK WITH HER FIRST? I’D RATHER CONSULT IT WITH HER

DET. PERINO.

UM

ERIK CRESPO.

THAT’S FINE

DET. PERINO.

UH THERE’S NOTHING REALLY WRONG WITH THAT. I’D RATHER YOU MAKE THE DECISION ON YOUR OWN OKAY BY THE WAY I WON’T CHANGE MY STORY

ERIK CRESPO. DET. PERINO.

OH I KNOW YOU’RE NOT GONNA CHANGE YOUR STORY. YOU KNOW UM IM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF I SHOULD JUST… IM TRYING TO READ YA… KINDA LIKE A CARD GAME. YOU WATCH POKER ON TELEVISION, TEXAS HOLD’EM

ERIK CRESPO.

WHAT?

DET. PERINO.

IM TRYING TO READ YOU. IM TRYING TO SEE IF ITS WORTH MY WHILE TO LET YOUR MOTHER.. LET YOU SPEAK TO YOUR MOTHER AND THEN GIVE ME A STATEMENT OR IF THAT’S JUST GONNA MAKE MORE OF A HEADACHE FOR ME.

ERIK CRESPO.

I UNDERSTAND

DET. PERINO.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE MATTER? DO YOU WANT TO TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED OR DO YOU NOT WANT TO TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED?

ERIK CRESPO.

I DO, BUT THEN AGAIN. I JUST WANT TO GET THIS OVER WITH DAMN, I DON’T KNOW HOW TO PUT IT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO

DET. PERINO.

ITS TOUGH BEING AN ADULT, HUH?

ERIK CRESPO.

I SHOULD HAVE JUST GAVE HIM WHAT HE WANTED. NOW I GOT NOTHING. IT WOULD HAVE SAVED ME A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE

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DET. PERINO.

YES AND NO, YES YOU’RE RIGHT, IT COULD HAVE SAVED YOU A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE, NO YOU DON’T KNOW THAT AFTER THAT. I TOLD YOU ITS NOT GONNA

ERIK CRESPO.

MAN, I DON’T KNOW CAN WE, CAN YOU AND I JUST TALK WITH MY MOTHER BEING IN HERE WITH US. I’LL FEEL A LOT BETTER BUT THAT’S ON YOU

DET. PERINO.

NAH IT’S NOT, IT’S REALLY ON YOU KID.

ERIK CRESPO. DET. PERINO.

CAN I PLEASE GET SOME WATER? ALRIGHT

ERIK CRESPO.

THANKS

DET. PERINO.

SO BASICALLY YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME BUT YOU JUST WANT YOUR MOTHER HERE TOO WHEN YOU TALK TO ME

ERIK CRESPO.

YES

DET. PERINO.

ALRIGHT, I THINK I CAN ALLOW THAT.

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