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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Let the Zero Hour mention be over. ..(Interruptions).. I have called the Leader of the Opposition. ..(Interruptions).. Please sit down. ..(Interruptions).. SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: Sir, I have given notice on precisely this matter. ..(Interruptions).. I have given a notice. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Raashid Alvi, there is already a notice on this subject. ..(Interruptions).. Please sit down. ..(Interruptions)..µÖÆü ŒµÖÖ ²ÖÖŸÖ Æîü?..(¾µÖ¾Ö¬ÖÖ®Ö).. †Ö¯Ö®Öê ®ÖÖê×™üÃÖ ŒµÖÖë ®ÖÆüà פüµÖÖ?..(¾µÖ¾Ö¬ÖÖ®Ö).. SHRIMATI BRINDA KARAT: I have given a notice on this issue. ..(Interruptions).. MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Yes, it has been admitted. ..(Interruptions).. (Followed by 1q/KSK) KSK/MCM/12.15/1Q MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Raashid Alvi, there is already a notice on this subject; you are too late..(Interruptions). †Ö¯Ö®Öê ®ÖÖê×™üÃÖ ŒµÖÖë ®ÖÆüà פüµÖÖ? ¯ÖÖî×»Ö×™üÛú»Ö ¯ÖÖ™üá Æîü ŸÖÖê you should have been given the notice...(Interruptions). I am telling, notice has already been given...(Interruptions). Now, Shri Jaswant Singh. MATTERS RAISED WITH PERMISSION OF THE CHAIR REQUEST TO ELIMINATE ANOMALIES IN THE SIXTH PAY COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS IN RESPECT OF ARMED FORCES ®ÖêŸÖÖ ×¾Ö¸üÖê¬Öß ¤ü»Ö (ÁÖß •ÖÃÖ¾Ö®ŸÖ ØÃÖÆü) : ÃÖ¤ü¸ü ÃÖÖÆü²Ö, ²Ö›Íüß ÜÖã¿Öß Ûúß ²ÖÖŸÖ Æîü ×Ûú ÃÖß•Ö±úÖµÖ¸ü ŸÖÖê ÆüÖê ÝÖµÖÖ… ÃÖß•Ö±úÖµÖ¸ü ÆüÖê®Öê Ûêú ²ÖÖ¤ü, ´Öï µÖÆüÖÓ ±úÖîוֵÖÖë Ûúß •ÖÖê Ûãú”û ŸÖÛú»Öß±ëú Æï,ü ¾Öê †Ö¯ÖÛêú ÃÖÖ´Ö®Öê ¸üÜÖ®ÖÖ “ÖÖÆüŸÖÖ ÆæÓü… ׯ֔û»Öê “ÖÓ¤ü ´ÖÆüß®ÖÖë ÃÖê µÖÆü ´ÖÃÖ»ÖÖ “Ö»Ö ¸üÆüÖ Æîü and we have had, Sir, a demonstration of great discontent by the Armed Forces and
it is unusual for the Chiefs to have gone to the extent of voicing that discontent in public.
It is an unusual step, but it is an unusual
circumstance that has compelled them to do so, and, therefore, rather than elaborating what the entire situation is, may I recommend for the consideration of my good friend, the distinguished Minister for Defence, and, of course, the hon. Prime Minister, to please consider very sympathetically and attentively the questions that have been raised or the aspects that have got underscored by the Sixth Pay Commission's treatment of the Services? We have got focussed particularly on the question of pension, on the question of pay relating to two ranks, namely, Lieutenant Colonel and Lieutenant General - Lieutenant General, when it comes to precedence; Lieutenant Colonel, when it comes to precedence and pay. Let me submit to you, Sir, that one of the most difficult questions to address and answer honestly is why does a soldier, a sailor or an airman agree to die. Please, believe me, Sir, that the principal motivation is izzat, and if you do not give izzat to the uniformed community, then you are robbing them of the central impulse of military morale. My recommendation for the Government, therefore, to consider is to please examine the question of Inflation Indexing of pension, and with that, is related the aspect which has now troubled us for some years. I have had the benefit and distinction of being a Member of a Committee established for the benefit and welfare of ex-servicemen long years back when late Mrs. Gandhi was the Prime Minister and my distinguished friend and colleague, Mr. K.P. Singh Deo, was the Chairman of that Committee. We spent many months deliberating and did make recommendations.
Some of them have got implemented,
some have not. Number of steps have already been taken by the NDA Government, but there still remains the question, which is troubling us, of 'one rank - one pension'. May I recommend to the Government to re-examine it in all its aspects and let us all work towards its timely implementation? There are just few other recommendations. One is to constitute a commission for the welfare of ex-servicemen and it ought to be really a statutory commission so that this periodic problem does not arise. Second is the question, and it has troubled us very greatly, of resettlement of ex-servicemen. At the rank of Sawar or Jawan, a soldier will retire and go on pension at the age of 36. Thirty-six year old person is a young man, or a young woman, and still has full life ahead of him or her.
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SK-GS/1R/12.20 SHRI JASWANT SINGH (CONTD.): And, it is a very great pity that this trained and talented manpower is then taken away from the nation. It is very useful national asset, Sir. A lot of recommendations have come. But lateral induction, how many can be taken, as Jobs are scarce, I recognise all that. But then, ex-servicemen are also a vital category, and it is because of all these factors that today we have a shortage -- I could be corrected on the actual figures -- of almost 18,000 personnel in the officer rank.
It is a very critical shortage.
This is about re-
settlement. My third recommendation is about representation of serving and retired personnel in Pay Commission. The problem arises when you constitute a Pay Commission and everyone else is represented but the Services.
If you have the Services represented, there will be a
representative of the services to articulate their views when the Commission is functioning. Sir, now the Government must attend to eliminating the anomalies of the Sixth Pay Commission as far as the Services are concerned. I do not wish to take the time of the House in listing all them out. The Government is aware of what the anomalies are. Please attend to them. A Group of Ministers has got constituted. But there is so much work that the hon. Minister of External Affairs has, he can't do it all. There is a very able Defence Minister, why not complete this under the Prime Minister's care itself? Sir, please take on board that the prestige and precedence aspects of the Services are vital categories of honour. It is for this reason, Sir, that I have raised this issue. (Ends) RE. ECONOMIC IMBALANCE LEADING TO CONFLICTS IN THE COUNTRY DR. C.P. THAKUR (BIHAR):
Thank you, Sir, for giving me the
opportunity to raise this very important issue in this House. This House and also the other House witnessed turmoil a few days back because of indecent and ugly behaviour caused to Bihari youths who went to Maharashtra. I think that some misguided youths of Maharashtra did this. But, Bihar is still burning. In today's newspaper, there is news that all trains to Bihar have been cancelled.
The root cause of the
trouble is that very little socio-economic development has taken place in Bihar for the last 20 years. Therefore, I suggest that a special cell in the Planning Commission and the Finance Ministry should be constituted to
it is unusual for the Chiefs to have gone to the extent of voicing that discontent in public.
It is an unusual step, but it is an unusual
circumstance that has compelled them to do so, and, therefore, rather than elaborating what the entire situation is, may I recommend for the consideration of my good friend, the distinguished Minister for Defence, and, of course, the hon. Prime Minister, to please consider very sympathetically and attentively the questions that have been raised or the aspects that have got underscored by the Sixth Pay Commission's treatment of the Services? We have got focussed particularly on the question of pension, on the question of pay relating to two ranks, namely, Lieutenant Colonel and Lieutenant General - Lieutenant General, when it comes to precedence; Lieutenant Colonel, when it comes to precedence and pay. Let me submit to you, Sir, that one of the most difficult questions to address and answer honestly is why does a soldier, a sailor or an airman agree to die. Please, believe me, Sir, that the principal motivation is izzat, and if you do not give izzat to the uniformed community, then you are robbing them of the central impulse of military morale. My recommendation for the Government, therefore, to consider is to please examine the question of Inflation Indexing of pension, and with that, is related the aspect which has now troubled us for some years. I have had the benefit and distinction of being a Member of a Committee established for the benefit and welfare of ex-servicemen long years back when late Mrs. Gandhi was the Prime Minister and my distinguished friend and colleague, Mr. K.P. Singh Deo, was the Chairman of that Committee. We spent many months deliberating and did make recommendations.
Some of them have got implemented,
some have not. Number of steps have already been taken by the NDA Government, but there still remains the question, which is troubling us, of 'one rank - one pension'. May I recommend to the Government to re-examine it in all its aspects and let us all work towards its timely implementation? There are just few other recommendations. One is to constitute a commission for the welfare of ex-servicemen and it ought to be really a statutory commission so that this periodic problem does not arise. Second is the question, and it has troubled us very greatly, of resettlement of ex-servicemen. At the rank of Sawar or Jawan, a soldier will retire and go on pension at the age of 36. Thirty-six year old person is a young man, or a young woman, and still has full life ahead of him or her.
(continued by 1r - sk)
SK-GS/1R/12.20 SHRI JASWANT SINGH (CONTD.): And, it is a very great pity that this trained and talented manpower is then taken away from the nation. It is very useful national asset, Sir. A lot of recommendations have come. But lateral induction, how many can be taken, as Jobs are scarce, I recognise all that. But then, ex-servicemen are also a vital category, and it is because of all these factors that today we have a shortage -- I could be corrected on the actual figures -- of almost 18,000 personnel in the officer rank.
It is a very critical shortage.
This is about re-
settlement. My third recommendation is about representation of serving and retired personnel in Pay Commission. The problem arises when you constitute a Pay Commission and everyone else is represented but the Services.
If you have the Services represented, there will be a
representative of the services to articulate their views when the Commission is functioning. Sir, now the Government must attend to eliminating the anomalies of the Sixth Pay Commission as far as the Services are concerned. I do not wish to take the time of the House in listing all them out. The Government is aware of what the anomalies are. Please attend to them. A Group of Ministers has got constituted. But there is so much work that the hon. Minister of External Affairs has, he can't do it all. There is a very able Defence Minister, why not complete this under the Prime Minister's care itself? Sir, please take on board that the prestige and precedence aspects of the Services are vital categories of honour. It is for this reason, Sir, that I have raised this issue. (Ends) RE. ECONOMIC IMBALANCE LEADING TO CONFLICTS IN THE COUNTRY DR. C.P. THAKUR (BIHAR):
Thank you, Sir, for giving me the
opportunity to raise this very important issue in this House. This House and also the other House witnessed turmoil a few days back because of indecent and ugly behaviour caused to Bihari youths who went to Maharashtra. I think that some misguided youths of Maharashtra did this. But, Bihar is still burning. In today's newspaper, there is news that all trains to Bihar have been cancelled.
The root cause of the
trouble is that very little socio-economic development has taken place in Bihar for the last 20 years. Therefore, I suggest that a special cell in the Planning Commission and the Finance Ministry should be constituted to
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