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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

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FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION CENTER FOR BIOLOGICS EVALUATION AND RESEARCH + + + + +

VACCINES AND RELATED BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTSADVISORY COMMITTEE + + + + +

MEETING

WEDNESDAY, MAY

16,

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Montgomery

at 9:00 a.m.,

presiding.

PRESENT: ROBERT S. DAUM, M.D.,

Acting

Chair

C. ESTUARDO AGUILAR-CORDOVA, M.D., DONALD BLAIR,

Ph.D.

Ph.D.

JOHN COFFIN, Ph.D. JAMES COOK, M.D. MICHAEL DECKER, M.D. PAMELA S. DIAZ,

M.D.,

Member

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ALEX J. VANDER EB, Ph.D. WALTER L. FAGGETT, M.D.,

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BARbARA LOE FISHER, MemberJUDITH D. GOLDBERG,.Sc.D., DIANE E. GRIFFIN,

M.D.,

member

Ph.D.,

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STEPHEN HUGHES, Ph.D. SAMUEL L. KATZ, M.D., KWANGSIK KIM, M.D., STEVE KOHL, M.MD.,

Member Member

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,PAMELA McINNES, D.D.S., PHILIP

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LAWRENCEMOULTON, Ph.D. MARTIN MYERS, M.D. SUZETTE PRIOLA, Ph.D. DAVID S. STEPHENS, M.D.,

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SIDNEY WOLFE, M.D. NANCY CHERRY, Executive

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- Adventitious Agent Testing of Neoplastic Cell Substrates, Dr. Philip Krause . . . . .

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themselves

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Dr.

Goldberg,

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and then

Dr.

DR. GOLDBERG: Yeah,

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presentation,

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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: Okay.

8

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them.

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DR. COFFIN:

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comes up particularly

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genes to the vaccine

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like

later. Steve,

12

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that

the issues

which

I think

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substrates

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17

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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: Coffin

as Dr.

give

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DR. HUGHES:

or

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cell

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to answer

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24 25

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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: Would you like try,

in looking

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question?

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5

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: Yes.

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HUGHES:

understand

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at a very

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18

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species

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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: Dr. Minor,

15

cell

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phenotype.

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think,the

answer

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-- and

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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

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DR. KOHL:

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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: Dr. Myers,

24

DR. MYERS: I guess I have two questions.

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Thank you.

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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: clarifying,

animal have any

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is,

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tumorigenicity

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presumably

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21

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on.

to my colleague

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Dr.

Thank

you

for

Aguilar-Cordova.

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DR:LEWIS: question

about

tumorigenic,

only

occurs

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literature,

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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

one of

our attention. Thank

you,

Dr.

Lewis.

17

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: Myquestionactually

18

follows

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what

very

well

I started

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on that,

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21

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it's

event,

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a series

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it

of

be the

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cell

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guess

that

begs

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actually

22

say

high

in

the properties of the cells, .sufficient necessarily to drive Frank

delivered

of individual

some cases

genes

microscopes

very

change

of adding

even

for nor

in many cases see the effects

the Frank phenotypic that

through

give

morphology,

that

end myc.,

Those of us who have spent

that

So I think

14

It would appear

tumorigenic,

oncogenes

retroviruses

expression

21

appear

single

10

is.

is any safer

an activated

days peering

had

13

cell

wouldn't

7

20

has

DR. HUGHES:

6

19

or normal,

that as far

believe

it

and I also because

is think,

these

as we know

important

as I tried

things in

to

are,

humans,

in that

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-providing

one or

oncogenicity

Wo

steps

is something

3

One

could

in

the

we'd like argue

chemicalcarcinogenesis

5

the changes

and the long duration

6

development

of the tumor after

7

the chemical

8

the chemical

may have changed only

9

and the rest

must occur

10

But

11

substantially,

12

need to worry

that

many

that

you see to the

much, Dr.

the fact

Cordova

--

18

will

19

development

tell

that

one or two things,

spontaneously

later.

enhances are

the

things

risk that

we

Thank

you

very

Hughes.

a very

17

to

about.

I think I was

exposure

represents

those

that

one or two of

the initial

still

the

I think.

cases

exactly

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

15 16

actually

and I think

13 14

provides

of

to avoid,

in

4

insult

direction

we'll

helpful

move on, if

presentation,

to

I hope I'm not butchering us about

adenovirus

you would. Dr.

That

Aguilar-

your name -- who

biology'as

related

to

and use of adenovirus

vectors.

20

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:

Can you hear me?

21

Yeah.

22

general,

23

that

24

use as vectors.

generic

So

background

we can use this

25

I'm

for

just on the

further

So adenoviruses

going

were

to

give

adenoviruses

discussion

identified

a so

and their

in

the

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early

2

tissue,

3

associated

with

4

lay

referred

5

inflammations,

from

'50s

thus

group

6

an adenoid the

name

an adenoid

adenoviruses,

some fairly

It's DNA encapsidated

8

and there

and

common illnesses

as the

it's in

"common cold,"

9

nature.

composed of a linear, in a protein

the

some eye

double

shell;

are many different

10

from

et cetera.

7

types

stranded

hasno

envelope,

of adenoviruses

in

They are primarilyclassifiedbasedonthe

11

organism

12

Mastadenoviruses

13

come from mammals and those

of origin,

and so there

Hopefully

15

(Laughter.)

16

DR.

17

characterization

18

terminal

19

and,

20

Serotype

21

there

22

hemagglutination,

23

blood

that

nobody

in

knob in the fiber the

has slides.

2, Serotype

are many other

The

and

different

of

.the

and hexon epitopes you'll

hear

5, the most commonly

binding

further

antigenicity

protein

serotype,

that

come from birds.

else

the

groups:

those

AGUILAR-CORDOVA: is

thus,

are two major

and the Aviadenoviruses,

14

serotypes,

of the fiber

about

used,

and

and also

by

protein

to red

cells. And

24 .25

tumor,

adenoviruses

it

turns

out

that

have more tumorigenic

some groups ability

of

in rodent

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1 2

None

have

later

on,

. cells. probably

4

hexons,

5

pentons,

6

fibers.

7

what constitute

I2

for

and

as you

a double

10

repeats

11

and here's

the

see,

serotype that

list

important

14

condense

.it

that

the

17

here

18

critical

for

19

and thus

the majority

20

adenoviruses

are vectors

21

been deleted

and replaced

is

ElA

these

little

and the hexons are

by two terminal that

terminal

genome,

protein

is

of the genome and to

from both and

ElB.

is linear

strands. The

expression

of other

ITRs,

inverted

include

five

mentioned,

region,

that

in whi,chthese

heard

these

are

are used in

two genes have

by the gene of interest.

terminal

the

but

genes' of the virus,

of the vectors

early

as well,

What you've

El

There are two origins

22

I just

and 12

it.

does express

25

has

go with

stability

it

units

phases

240

of them.

16

24

has

of the virus.

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the

It

genome flanked

to keep the

15

23

hear

icosahedralproteinbasethere

Primarily

13

will

in humans.

20 triangular

and some proteins

12

you

icosahedral.

can

stranded

the

as

and the pentons

Inside is

is

each of

The fibers

8

shown,

to be tumorigenic

The virus

3

9

been

of replication.

repeats,

genes,

E2 region,

In

transcription

the ElA and ElB that the

E4 region,

and

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57 1

the

E3 region.

2

these.

1'11

a little

There are two delayed

transcript

that

includes

The ElA, 'is

talk

host

activation,

'6

activate

the

7

S phase,

and that

8

the

other

cell

growth,

11

in part

12

regulate

13

retinal

really

virus

hosts

16

E3, there

17

is protection

18

regulates

19

to be immunogenic.

two proteins,

23

and

proteins,

25

regulation

of most of

expansion,

induces

proteins.

proteins.

from viral the ability

It's in

It's

p53

and

involved

in

recognize the

E4,

that.has

of MHC Class

has miscellaneous

of transcription,

are

this

it

down

the virus

is that

it

down

1, and thus

proteins

there

that

and thus

of the cell

the other

particular.

believed

infection,

the expression

and it

genes that like

DNA replication,

are four

And

24

to enter

and it

One of the down functions

can't

is

(phonetic).

reproduction,

host

does

to some of the cellular

cycle

15

22

and this

a transcription

E2 has three

regulates

five.

genes;

blastomagy

21

late

and we know no what ElA and ElB do this

cell

20

'this

and induce

activates

by binding

14

and one major

are two proteins,

transcription

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10

more about

one through

and what

adenoviral

9

early

late

there

bit

going at

activities,

MRNA transport,

least

the

on. four such as and DNA

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.-

replication

of the virus.

2

The late

3

They're

4

itself

mostly

involved

and the

6

really

7

in

stabilization

two faces.

8

includes

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cell,

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first

of that

life

cycle

hours

absorption,

of

12

definition

start,

13

so, and that

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virions.

15

that

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17

per

18

produce

19

more than

20

than

cell.

late

now that

them in the

laboratory,

So wild

ten

there

and

events

by

18 hours

or

is the construction

about

the

genes.

in the next

We.know

that.

into

of the early

it was said there's

that

core,

And we have approximately

16

and

virion

the

is

which occur

of the virus

the

and that's

them.

core.

infection,

begins,

is when there

of

of the virus

events,

after

and translation One

five

and replication

penetration

disassembly

11

are

There are early

six

transcription

there

in the structure

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5

10

genes,

of new

to 50,000.

10,000 virions are

--

when we

we can produce

type probably

also

a lot

does more

that. Now, the next

21 22

the

virus.

23

gene transmission

24

gene therapy?

25

How does

step,

of course,

one use the

and, therefore,

And

there

are

virus its

two

is to

optimize

potential

key

that's

factors

use in

of

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adenoviruses

that'actudliy

2

variance

3

can package

up to

4

when we take

out the ELA or the ElB genes,

5

a little

of

6

five

as good,

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percent

one can manipulate

9

is,

the

10

structure,

11

way.

manipulate

14

vector.

of

and then

its

very

the virus

those

the virus

This

16

read,

but

it

17

viral

vector

18

common

that

gives

vehicles

issue

in

form.

That

a plasmid-like

two factors,

we can then

and make it

you will there

that

an efficient

not

be able

Retroviruses

The most

adenoviruses,

23

advantage,

24

efficient,

25

expression

which

is

integrate for

long

are that so

terms,

it

often

used

will

there and that

to

are many different

one can use.

retroviruses,

that

and

associated viruses and Herpes viruses, and they ._ have pluses and minuses depending on the use that ..' will have for them.

22

a

is that

and change contents

easily

obviously

are

So

you have actually

in a circular

is to show that

ones

we

capacity.

important

and one can clone

15

that

room there.

SO given

13

One is

ITRs can be circularized

12

21

space,

us to use this

vectors.

105 percent

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8

20

effective

wiggle.

7

19

have'allowed

enter will

one

as the

be

all

an cell

stable

one has no viral

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.. genes

in the most common of these And the disadvantages

2

to.produce. they

may integrate

advantages

randomly

often

sufficiently, the

9

into

the host

10

that

are

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expresser;

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of by the host

14

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are

that

so that

16

disadvantage.

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of

the it's

the

case

of

disadvantage.

advantages

what one does is put

22

the ElA/ElB

23

create

24

totally

25

vitro

region.

a little

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the

for

all

integrate

a long-term

are

often

and it

gets

this

in

the

disposed

may not

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types,

depending

generation

the gene of interest

more space.

apparent

reasons

may be a

it

and disadvantages

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not

vaccines,

what one needs to use them for. -A_ So typically on first

21

of therapeutic

quickly.

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cells

the disadvantages

it's genes

the

enters

does not

immunogenic,

fairly

it

and thus

viral

and that

adenoviruses,

interest;

that

hard

cause mutation.

high expression

related

that

very

20

listed

chromosome,

often

15

19

for

they're size,

and thus

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transgene

gene,

insert

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produces

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there

is that

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18

vectors.

a

on

vectors instead

of

deleted

to

The E3 region

is

is often

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for

in

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as you can see,

But

more

of

the

3

vector,.and

4

leakage

5

transduction.

viral

genes

even though

there

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7

the

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wants,

9

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6

laboratory,

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cells.

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constitutively.

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deficiency

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lot

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14

express

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used to infect

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region.

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that

19

approximately

20

mentioned,

21

product

22

often

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milliliter.

24

through

a receptacle

25

receptor,

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high

to

ten

to

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affects

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complement

cell,

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of

virion

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vector, for

the

titers

in

the. 13th

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prevalent

ElA/ElB

virus

foreign

deficiency.

then

not make

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has

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particles tissues.

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cell.

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once that

space

replication

them in very close

it

type

8 kb of

one

laboratory.

the target

because

in

and then one caa produce

And theoretically

15

this

a packaging

can entrance,

vector,

virions

is some

interest

293 cells

that

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genes after

gene of

about

cells

of this

there

of those viral

talking

are

be a lot

within

is no ElA,

whatever

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of those

still

plasma to transfect

case we're

10

are

would

then one would create

clone

use that

there

adenovirus

throughout

nature,

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_ and then

it

2 3

tissues,

4

have high

also

uses some integrants.

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it

such as antigen levels

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7

currently

8

is

9

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what

is

cells,

and it

been

many

What I've to

and it

described

as

the

that

second

12

had an additional

13

gene,

generation

first

generation.

can be E3 positive

or minus.

and again,

14 15

generation.

16

are

17

then the E3 region

18

various

farther

19

EIB with

a conditional

.

-only

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it

generation

again

generations

tissue

referred

ElA positive,

that's

they

in the E2 gene or E4

been quite

are

and then

or negative.

called

that

specific

either

E3 positive

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the

or so-called

is El minus as well, mutation

are

to you so far

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11

can

different

of adenoviralvectors

referred

El minus,

nonreplicating

expression.

have

of the types

10

21

presenting

there

in use.

into

get

of transgene

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6

20

can

promoter types

X here.

and

or minus,

and

X.1 here so that

in which

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ElB minus,

positive

like

to as any

is ElA and

they replicate

that

promoter

is

'active.

22

And the

23

is

24

closer

25

far

X.2,

which

are

final

generation

helper

to what a retroviral as

viral

gene

content.

at least

'dependent, vector

so far

and these

would be like Everything

has

are in as been

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1

~ deleted the

'2

from the vector

packaging

backbone,

sequence,

and it

except

the

ITRs in

has been replaced

by

some DNA content.

3

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4 5

often

these

6

origin.

vectors

come with

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7 8

though.of

9

that

10

use.

11

in

12

comparing

to give

how this

critical

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were

to a first

14

the El and the E2 region

15

and the E2 region,

16

vector.

17

dose per kilogram

18

times

19

and this

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it

is the platelet

et al., and

vector.

deleted,

deletions

light

bars

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that

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are just

to the

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these

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be

their

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are a vector

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ten to the 12th,

for

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some

examples

from O'Neill,

a second

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may not

of vectors

generation

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13

of

of changes

is data

using

DNA of

you a couple

generation

this

28 kb of DNA.

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in the development

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at least

are three

ten to the 13th,

of the animals

or mice.

.* 20

As one can see,

the toxicity

21

j,-. ., slightly

different.

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22

but it

equilibrates

very quickly

23

the

12th

and one times So the

24 25

caused

by

this

ten

to the

at three

ten to the

12th times

dose, ten to

13th.

thrombocytopenia

virus

was perhaps

was no different

that

is in

often

a first

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generation

than

2

the

second generation.

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3

which

is

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vectors,

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times

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again,

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the

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generation

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time.

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generation

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from 3.2 times

ten to the lith

24

10th.

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25

it's

or helper

what

we see is

anti-trypsin,

and this

of

expression

through

and you can see with

to baseline,

the first

within

the first

no expression

doses of the vector

And you can see

a first

same insert.

a peak of expression

leading

dependent

to 1.2 times

that

with

iater. ranging

ten to the

the

gutless

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vector,

2

this

3

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4

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animals

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long term expression.

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of

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24

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genes

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human alpha-l

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vector.

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generation

any of

lines

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in baboons.

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19

This

first

at

Morall,

vector,

being

profile.

the

can

we see is

still

of genes.

immune response.

trans-.gene some data

not

are

and you can see a

occur

the gutless

genes,

still

content

clear

are

that

profile,

does not

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there

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6

10

is

two of the veator

three

have a very

is out 100 weeks here, vector

animals

by 20 weeks.

and

had lost

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was

by ten weeks.

25

But there

was one animal

with

a gutless

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that

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vectors to the

variables for

that

very

to give

safety

all

of viral

couple

of

15

quantified,'

of

quality

16

that

17

know

18

functional

and can transduce

19

the

cells.

we can hetect those

target

how these

particles

vectors

with

this

is that

23

on how deep

this

soup

24

allowed

25

these

to progress, will

all

is,.

we also of

need to them

the gene of interest

these

reach

The

depending assay

variables, one of

a soup

cells.

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are into

layer

particles,

how long

just

of particles

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and many other never

to

are typically

on top of some target

problem

particles

but. then how

22

known

that's

I want

what we do is we just

of particles

on

agents.

easily,

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20

and

slides

control

and so we have the quantity

of

about,

not go through

to do that,

give

.fully

spoke

in

of the vectors,

I will

14

21

I just

brief

And in order you an idea

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you a sense of what is not

testing

done for

can be used to generate

the analyses

go very,

13

and

an immune response

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than what is known.

the

weeks,

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mostly

by ten

had developed

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gets

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and whether is quite

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preparation

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et al.,

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but

there's

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was

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vector

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shipped

just

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was the CO, that

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there

18

in a very

I've

shown

turns

out in that

period

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converted

22

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23

viruses.

24

that into

not

due

profiles.

Hoffman,

the distance, on, the

into

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a clinical only

from

and a vector

in,

particular

dropping that

that

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to

their

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gene

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I think, can be

vehicles.

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of

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second

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by Neiber

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19

specific.

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on dry ice

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from

differential across

was shipped

shipped

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titer

from a paper

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an identical

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of data

get

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determined

a seven

15

25

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they

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,.generation small,

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and I'm

11

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these

the

is very

there

a of

wild

things

as

a last

adenoviruses

there

is

developing so that

a

all

of

and quantified.

14

ACTING CHAIRMAN DADM:

I have. Thank

you

very

much. That

16

many questions

Stephens,

20

: ',

21

'regarding

was extremely

for Dr.

18 19

potency.

is

That's

17

of these

mention,

that

way

the data as

of clinical

can be compared all

is

standard

to analyze

group

type

specifications

13

15

a

because

and the quantity

assurance

working

clear

is a very

difficult

just

very

dose

the potency

And currently

actually

told

and thus,

9 10

is

of

It

in

stage.

And this

3

and only

Dr.

22

and retroviral

23

the

24

having

25

idea

status

Coffin

Katz.

difference

retrovirus

You said

something

between

adenoviral

that

an urban

been subject that

raises

and then Dr. Kohl and then Dr.

vectors of

It

us to consider.

DR. COFFIN: the

helpful.

I think

legend

to a real vectors

test,

on

vectors

has something

without

might

early

ever and that

of

actually is the

have some greater

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-danger

because

2

DNA into

3

don't

of

a cell,

the

property

in the cell

of

integrating

DNA, whereas

their

adenoviruses

do that. That's

4

actually

5

Adenoviruses

6

integrated

7

believe

that

8

numbers

are and I don't

9

what the numbers

do, of course, after

up

not

that

--

at

I don't

are,

know if but

entire

it's

10

make

11

integration

by

12

adenoviral

vectors

13

give,

14

of a fragment

15

a probability

of

retrovirus

16

administration

of

these

17

vehicles.

and in fact,

anybody quite in

they

21

standard

22

occasionally.

I didn't

mean to imply

23

more dangerous

or not.

I was just

24

of often

of

vectors

that

you

occasionally. operation,

high

after

or vaccine

It's but

they

as

is not

that their

do integrate that

reading

they off

were a list

events.

The one difference

25

doses

The fact

20

stated

the

as gene therapy

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:

of

you in

DNA integration

19

method

that

DNA may be equally

Can you comment on that?

integrate

knows exactly

of the integration

18

do

the

efficiency

in

the probability

and I

what

likely

retroviral

of adenovirus

DNA does get

know exactly

difference

versus

course.

some low event,

difference

the

of

-- adenovirus

infection

the

true,

would

be that

they

do

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2

at

3

integration

promoter

a

least~the

enhancer

promotion would

4

enhancement

But

COFFIN:

5

somewhere in the vector

6

a vector,

how

and often

9

comment.

10

is

11

yes,

they

data

or it

wouldn't

more than

compare I don't showing

and they

one,

So

,of

the

as

far

as

know that that

be

one

be any good as

Often,

if

yes,

integration

there

they

must

of course,

I

do integrate

--

and so can't

is any data.

There

on occasion,

persist.

12

ACTING

13

DR. KOHL:

Two questions.

14

Thanks

your

15

effect

there

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:

8

in the LTR.

be different.

DR.

7

in there,

Dr.

CHAIRMAN DAUM:

for

talk.

It

Kohl,

please.

was enjoyable

and elucidating. You mentioned

16 17

Could you elaborate

18

get

19

deleted

20

into

enough

the

21

leakage

that

that

the

concept

a little

from

you can get

further,

a gene

that

a competent

leakage.

and can you supposedly virus

is

injected

host? DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:

22

I was speaking

23

deleted.

24

on there.

25

of

about

Obviously

However,

So the leakage

was from the genes that the one that's

there

is

deleted

the

that

were not can't

potential

leak

for

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- recombination

with

leading

the gene inside

2

and thus

3

believe

that

4

PER-C6

cells

5

between

them and the 293 cells..

to a replication

that

will

were

7

more on the toxicities

8

causes

9

The platelets,

10

other

that?

developed,

and

the mechanism

the

liver

function

know are what the toxicities

13

course,

14

University

15

to

16

injected

as you've

heard,

dose

into

of

their

there

19

have seen in many animal

20

enzyme content,

21

not

22

seen the

with

upper

be

25

leakage

the

toxicity? and

animal

So what

we

and particularly,

was an incident

of in'the

vector

due

directly

artery.

respiratory

often

distress,

models

transient

models.

and what we

is an elevated

liver

and recoverable,

and

Many Phase 1 studies

have

same thing. Thrombocytopenia,

to

What

case what was seen was a DIC like

syndrome

24

bit

where a young man died

hepatic

18

23

a little

Yes.

an adenoviral

In that

just

are,

of Pennsylvania

17

difference

as well?

12

a large

of

I

transmission

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:

11

virus.

as why the

the

Can you elaborate

cell

of the adenoviralvector?

What's

toxicities

competent

be spoken to as far

DR. KOHL:

6

the packaging

caused because

due it

to

believed

endothelial

is consumptive

cell

but

not

shown

damage

and

thrombocytopenia.

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DR. KOHL:

2

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:

3

probably

4

potentially

5

infection.

cytopathic

effects

ACTING Stephens,

Dr.

Katz,

10

gene therapy

vectors

11

like

12

would.

13

versus

the E3 sequence

15

in or out

of clarify

in this

discussion

18

gene therapy.

19

had

20

accepted

'21

applications

22

vaccines.

that

discussion not,

23

and

trying

And Dr.

24

E3 region

25

he's

big

in

early

prop.onent

for

us,

if

you

lot, many in

Sure.

too, of

So not

be

just

of vaccine the

the

cancer

started

I believe,

or

RAC we've

what

to vaccinate

of leaving

should

vector.

a confusion

Ginsberg '8Os,

of

and I'd

that

as a member of a

there's

vectors,

you think

delivery

especially We're

Dr.

the questionrelatesto

is there I think

or

have

the issues

issue

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:

17

I

about

that

and whether

of the vaccine

16

and

to the original

discussion,

vaccine

More specifically,

14

is

Dr. van der Eb.

in my mind confusion

you to kind

vector

CHAIRMAN DAUM:

some at least

9

the

response

DR. STEPHENS: In this

8

The mechanism

of

an immunological

6 7

Who does the mechanism?

should

gene are,

be

therapy in

fact,

against

cancer.

working

with

or before,

the E3 region

an and

in when

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..

one wants to create

2

situation,

3

is

4

immune response

it

an immune response

is possible

an adjuvant

5

to

whatever

The flip in my laboratory

7

a gene

that

8

against,

for

9

tend to get an awful

one

of

t.hat

to

with lot

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

13

Dr.

14

DR.

and there

18

a module

19

and its

21

in

could

some

vector,

we

adenowirus

and

go either

way. Thank you.

please.

KATZ :

What

and what cells

is

the

express

receptor

for

the receptor?

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: The known receptor,

17

20

that

an

the gene of interest.

12

16

create

a CTL response

of CTL against

So it

adenovirus

to

an adenoviral

11

15

itself

when transducing

create

to none against

Katz,

is

and others,

wants

example,

little

the adenovirus

one wants

side

studies

very

in that

against.

6

10

that

because

'7 cells L some

are, probably called

the known receptor

CAR, coxsackie

distribution

is fairly

are especially integrants

others,

adenovirus ubiquitous.

high expressers,

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

23

DR. VAN DER EB: the

25

Even a deleted

issue

of

receptor, Epithelial

and it

also uses

as co-receptors.

22

24

is

leakage,

I'd

leakage

or undeleted

Dr.

van der Eb.

like

to come back to

that

you

vectors

mentioned.

are supposed

not

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_ to express

2

present

3

is

4

the

the

the rest

of the viral

in the vector. master

rest

switch

that

of the viral

6

time that

7

of

8

multiplicities

the

is because

directs

known already

leakage

may occur

viral

genome

For

10

ElA-like

11

of

the

rest

12

reaction

of

13

the host.

reason

activity

14

the

the

expression

host

for

occurs

a rather

for

efficient

16

region

then

when

this

very

creates

and leads

viral

genome

cell

17

some gene expression,

18

levels

to produce

19

although

But given

20

1-expression

21

absence.

of

the

consequent reaction

from

long

genes,

seems like

the El

there

is

maybe not at sufficient

the data, other

of

So in order

and to create

DR. VAN DER EB:

22

it

of

to expression

with

of the other

However,

virions

high

a kind

immunological

transcription

is necessary.

long

the rest

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: Right.

15

of

are used.

in the cell of

the EIA gene

and expressionof

of infection

9

the

is still

genome.

Now, it's

5

23

That

genome that

there

viral

the El.

seems to be some

genes

even

in

its

Is the data of Tom Shenk

ago?

24

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:

25

ACTING CHAIRMANDAUM: Two last

Right. questions,

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~ please.

2

DR. COOK:

3

question

about

4

point

5

travel

6

theoretically

7

trying

8

that

9

it

of view to

the

I'd

E3 in or out. is

to shut

surface if

that

to respond

to the

E3's job from the virus'

down Class Golgi

were uniformly and it

in the cell

1 expression

or

mechanisms.

So

true

required

and you were expression

of

in which E3 was co-expressed,

would be a good idea maybe not to have E3 present.

10

The

truth

11

adenovirus

12

express

13

infection.

It

14

hours

infection

in normal

after

is

doesn't

that

are

could

17

the

18

greater.

19

system,

20

consider

21

expression

22

antigen

presentation

23

surface

of the gene of interest.

24

So it

ElA,

might

on the

very probably

is

surface or

in

48 to'72

expression are.

E3 effect on how. you

at least,

E3

don't

late

peptide

the

depend

but theoretically, whether

that

on what the kinetics

co-expresses

with

virus.

the

16

cell

is

happen until with

depending

YOU infect or cells

phenomenon

So chances occur,

when

human cells

that

ElA,

15

25

like

through

to make a vaccine peptide

just

is

much

rate

the

one would have to

downregulating and whether peptide

If

Class that

expression

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DR. BLAIR:

2 3

retroviral

4

there's

5

the virus

Yeah.

background,

as it's

This

but is there

an encapsidation

6

of

cell

comes out

of my

any evidence

that

DNA/RNA protein

Not

at

8 I-

certainly

9

proteins

the

level with

that the

we've

RNAs,

or viral-like

10 that,

12

recombination

13

events

and

certainly

that

14

much, Dr.

scheduled

18

We'll

19

der Eb.

break

reassemble

the possibility the

of

recombination

random pieces

we

will

of DNA.

Thank

shorten

to a 15-minute at

lo:55

you

very

the record

at IO:39

a.m.

22

the record

at lo:58

a.m.)

23

ACTING CHAIR.P@N DAUM:

the foregoing

down as quickly

20-minute

I have 10:40.

and continue

21

settle

the

break.

(Whereupon,

25

of

possibility

non-specific

20

please

viral-like

Aguilar-Cordova. And

17

retroviruses

and so on.

there's

package

I know of.

of

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

16

24

in

especially

there's

events, would

seen

particles

But certainly

11

in

assembled?

DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: Not that

7

15

Blair.

Dr.

..

with

matter

Dr.

van

went off

and went back on

as they

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

Would

everybody

can? We're

ready

to

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continue

with

the open session. We will

2 3

tell

4

and the

5

manufacture

now call

us about adenovirus development

transformation

of defective

adenovirus

Welcome,

7

DR. VAN DER EB:

8

So what I would to

of human cells

of 293 and PER.CG cells

6

9

on Dr. Alex van der Eb to

for

the

vaccines.

Dr. van der Eb. Thank you. like

to do is to describe

you how and why we have made two different

10

lines,

11

which

12

made in

13

material,

14

Leiden.

15

from human embryonic

16

fetal

tissue

17

that,

so that

18

the PER.CG cell

19

in 1995 from an embryonic

20

made from fetal

21

1985.

adenovirus are called

transformed

and

also

was prepared The 293 cell

the

cells,

by myself

kidney

were

starting

at the University

cells

that

of

were made from one year

was in 19 -- probably

before

in 1972,

whereas

was made by Ron Bout and Frits retina

cultures

tissue

by me ten years

just

shows you again

genome and you have seen it

24

this

25

transform

was due to the cells

lines

the

ago by myself

23

virus

Both cell

lines

was made by Frank Graham in 1973

one year

This

22

human embryo cell

293 and PER.CG.

my lab,

cell

in tissue

already. fact

that

before

were

that,

in

the adenovirus The interest

that

culture.

Fallaux

the In fact,

viruses all

in can human

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adenoviruses tissue

or

almost

culture,

adenoviruses

and can

all

can transform

cells

in

that

certain

types

of

tumors

in

experimental

also

induce

animals. The transforming 6

survived the

8

-- the transforming

left-most

harbors

about

percent

the

with

genome that

could

I

human cells will

tell

human cells,

possible

virus

with

you

and it

in the first viral

we got

started

my lab

the

actually

developed

the

technique,

place

which

to make infectious

DNA.

you transfect

the

Adenovirus

Type 5 into

permissive

infectious

virus,

it

a pointer

all

Graham in

-- in

be transformed, how

DNA transfection

intact If

have

of

whether

phosphate

made it

18

is associated

in transforming

1972 when Frank

calcium

16

region

I hope it

We became interested

therefore,

transformed in

ten

-- oh,

the El region.

the question and

region

but here?

also

There

intact

viral

DNA of

human cells

you get

turned is

out

--

do you

no pointer?

Okay.

Thank you. And it 23

possible

24

cells proved

turns

to get infectious

with

the intact

capable

out virus

viral

of transforming

that

not

only

bytransfecting

was human

DNA, but also purified cultured

it

rodent

DNA cells,

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.but

human cells

could

not be transformed.

And the reason

2 3

got

destroyed

4

If

5

Daltons,

6

that

7

remained

8

viral

9

genome is necessary

the

by the

viralytic

DNA was sheared, up to

three

million

Daltons,

potential

a rather

As

I

itit0

small

for

purified

13

transformed,

everywhere

interested

14

human cells

by adenoviruses

just

15

whether

permissive

18

that

19

transformed

20

smaller

21

cells.

human

could

be perhaps

done

if

pieces,

24

there

25

cloning

with

cells

cells

yields

could in

not

be

transforming

in order

to find

rodent

detailed

out

time;

that

could

was sheared hamster

activity,

be into.

kidney

and this

studies

enzymes.

permissive

from the fact

cultures

were Syrian

shearing

were no restriction at that

cell

the DNA of adenovirus and these

that

transformed

The transforming

23

5 DNA

is possible.

semi-permissive

22

of the

of the viral

human

But we found some evidence human cells

out still

Adenovirus

effective

17.

cells

proportion

12

16

turned

a portion

transfected

that

it

transformation.

said,

but

reaction.

of rodent

11

virus,

human cells

up to 3 mega delta

indicating that-only

genome,

10

these

(phonetic)

however,

the transforming intact,

is that

at There

the transforming

that

was time;

was no DNA activity

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. associated

with

the

2

percent

3

the basis

of the

4

humancells

with

of the adenovirus

6

human cells

7

human cells human

is

answer

can be transformed

adenovirus,

and

DNA is

10

that

same

11

transformation

12

more?

the

if

required area

the

which

to

transform is

cell

or is

transformation

of human cells?

15

that

time

because

16

evidence

17

with

cancer

18

open

question,

19

still,

20

human adenoviruses

21

men.

and

although

fact,,

is is

have anything

23

human embryonic

24

And that

is mainly

25

system,

the rodent

method

kidney

that

because

Is

needed

for

less

or is

it

a model to

And that

was at

there

was no

at

to do

this

we followed Why kidney that

an

moment

no evidence

of the fact

model that

cells?

to do with

cultures.

the

an open issue,

it

there

of

have anything

was still

clearly

So the

22

in

it

it

although

human adenoviruses

whether

part

develop

study

in humans,

to transform

also

14

that

of the

by adenoviruses,

so,

And then can we simply

important

affect

question

at all

that

of rodent

13

all

by adenovirus

why we wanted

to

11

of adenoviruses.

reason

just

left-most

genome, and this

fragments

adenovirus

9

percent,

transformation

So the

5

.8

11 left

that

cancer

in

was take cultures? the rodent

we used were always

baby

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kidney

or

2

kidney.

3

transformation

baby

The kidney

kidney

kidney

cultures

with

6

with

7

DNA of

8

enzyme fragments.

the

with

calcium salmon

sperms.

10

available

11

293 cell

12

simply

13

the

was made with

rodent

for

with

17

probably.

sheared

transformed

was as follows.

an unknown

family

20

for

normal.

the abortion

it

at

usable.

colonies

enzyme

and also

Adenovirus

that

material,

history, date

the

5 DNA, then as we did with

Nothing

the

it

in 1972

as I can remember

got

was,

known anymore.

was wrong.

but

kidney

of the fetus

were unknown to me. time,

fetal

was obtained

is not

as far

The fetus,

18

completely

restriction

not yet

The kidney

The precise

19

carrier

we had resection

So the kidney

16

5 DNA

cultures.

14

material

DNA.

using

was not

They were just

these

Adenovirus

technique

later

for

human embryonic

to make pure DNA, but the first

scored

15

these

So this

hamster

adenovirus

purified

phosphate

baby

suitable

sheared

sheared

One year

9

or

were very

When we transfected

5

22

cells

studies

4

21

mouse

was

The reasons I probably

knew

lost,

all

this

fetus

were

then

information. The

23 24

isolated

25

called

kidneys

and the kidney still

air

cabinet.

of cells

the

were isolated

in the SO-

There were no laminar

flow

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.-hoods

at

that

time,

2

cabinet

3

and worked quite

4

to sterilize

that

and this,

was also used all well.

it,

cells,

7

the

simply

over for

a still tissue

There was W lights

and that

air

culture

in it

just

was all.

So as we did

5 6

is

also.

for

the

rat

kidney

surrounding

membranes

were

removed

completely

as possible,

and the

kidneys

were

8

minced with

scissors,

9

were

recovered

10

cultured

11

serum.

in

trypsinized,

after medium

That

containing

13

a commercial

14

else,

15

blood,

calif

cultures

18

time.

19

all

20

-being ..

that

the

were

trypsin

bovine

We either lab,

serum,

calf

got, it

not

from

or we made it

from

somebody

ourselves

from

blood. Rodent,

17

and the cells

serum was obtained

caif

source.

from another

16

then

is what we know. And this

12

removing

as

took So there

monkey,

place

and

in the

same general

was one cell

of the experiments,

other

all

human area

culture

room,

the cell

'culture

cell

at that

and there work was

done. There

21 22

but that

23

used in addition

24

the

25

possibly

was also

was in a separate

oncogenic also

experiments virus

to Adenovirus Adenovirus already

12,

Herpes

'with

viruses,

cultured

unit,

and we

5 whole

viruses,

also

as well virus,

as

SV40 and

but maybe Herpes

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was not yet

2

So the

3

Adenovirus

4

prepare

5

virions,

6

in

7

eight

8

at that

9

as I already

10

used at that method

5, was isolated the

time:

was DNA from from virions.

DNA by first

growing

and the DNA was then

this

case

through

million

calcium

and purifying

fragmented

and the DNA fragments with

the

by shearing up to

There was no cloning

indicated

type

So we had to

a 22 gauge needle

Daltons.

time,

wild

about

strategy

were transfected

salmon sperm DNA with

the

technique.

11

The results

12

the first

experiment

13

were not a single

14

it.

Again,

15 16

found finally

17

in

18

after

19

transfection. .--

were rather

of quite

disappointing.

In

a number of dishes

there.

transformed

colony.

no transformed

colony.

However,

many other

after

one transformed

So we repeated

experiments,

colonywhichwas

we

visible

i

20 21

the

cultures,

and that

transfection

was

This colony,

and established

23

and that

24

seen after

25

cultures

appeared

seen,

33.

single

and became the There

22

this

colony

is because the cells were fixed

were one,

days

colony

after

was picked

293 cell.

two colonies the

33 days

second

here

mentioned,

colony,

was only

at the end of the experiment, and stained,

and one other

the colony

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was seen at the edge of a dish

2

So the

3

would

give

4

The cells

5

culture,

6

ampules.

rise

grew at all,

was possible Only three

7 8

faster,

9

time

but

still

11

human

cells

12

Adenovirus

13

extremely

14

cannot

15

transforms

5. well

rodent

these

why human cells

18

adenoviruses.

19

came out

20

mutation

21

transformation.

are

with

the

quite

so

line

that

it

Another

22

they

same DNA that

also

it's

still

kidney

24

course,

of many different

cell

25

one

that

unclear

transformation

is

that

had

few cells

293 cell of

permissive

which types,

the

by

some kind

is that

human embryonic

very

replicate 5,

became

possibility

are

that by

to

that

primary

there

a week.

cells

moment,

23

--

and a doubling

efficiently.

resistant

a cell

to grow

Adenovirus

One possibility of

started

transformation

replicating

cells

was that.

from these experiments

Although

So up to this

17

four

poorly

to

be transformed

16

passage

resistant

in

months in

down the number of

a week or more than

are

which

to expand. five

time the cells

So it appeared

10

difficult

to free.ze

relatively

was at least

colony

and after

ampules,

And at that

we had missed.

transformed

to 293 was very

hardly it

single

which

since

to

this

consists, that in

is of

there the

a

is

whole

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T culture

which

2

that

3

transformation

this

particular

possibility

6

cell

7

and this

8

traveling

9

possibility

in that

something here ,to that

10

cells

appear

11

adenovirus.

12 13

fibroblasts

14

result.

15

cells.

to

that

also

for

transformation,

tried

have

and

around

fibroblasts,

that

page

example. crisis

time,

the

22

gradually

started

23

you

to

24

Nothing

skin

any positive

cells

the There

And then

the

13,

that

lung

the

cells

went

is also

seen

in human diploid

They always lasted

to die,

defeat

happens.

by

human embryonic

is followed

This During

neural

diploid

never

a

transformation.

19

21

'is

transformation

the same type of crisis

20

so that

human

tried

know,

to me when I was

to

when SP40 transformation

25

We don't

occurred

one

a neural

be more prone

18

have

is actually

culture.

We

for

those

but

testedbecause

Anyway, crisis,

and of

probably,

Gaithersburg,

No positive

into

one

canprobablybe

We also

16

know

the 29? cell

was present is

came from

never

is that

that

transformation,

cells.

We will

5

to

cell

prone

4

'17

are permissive

go in crisis.

nearly

remained

three on the

months. dish

some of them at least. cultures is no cell culture

for

a long

or So

time.

division. started

to

recover

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for

some reason

2

case of SV40, but apparently

3

begin

4

what happens

to

not in the same way as usually

grow,

whatever

in this

that

crisis

After

5

activated,

,7

the

8

increased

9

then

by Frank

10

went

to Anestilles

11

have been published

were

when

the adenovirus

14

not

15

and this

16

also

17

not expressed,

the

in several

papers.

sharp,

some E4 region

but

adenovirus

DNA also

20

became interesting

21

this

22

about

gene

23

first

retroviral

24

vectors.

occurred

1974,

where he

and the

it

doesn't

really

in these

So this

is

matter, There is

cells,

to

basic

became interesting,

which

is

for

introducing

research, Adenoviruses

gene therapy.

in the '80s when people

And adenoviral

It

of

is in the 293 cells.

addition

vectors,

data

the part

in the 293 cells.

as factors

therapy,

rate

were shipped

4,041 nucleotides.

however.

i9

growth

to show here also

present

in

recovering,

in Canada,

in

genome present

Now,

is

and

(phonetic)

is the left-most

18

telomerase start

Graham to McMaster

completely

know

Severalambules

I would like

13

We don't

cells

subcultured

significantly.

12

over the plate

base.

apparentlywhenthe

cells

all

means.

crisis,

6

25

cells

in the

started

genes

'and also

later

vectors,

in

So

to think

into

cells,

adenoviral

contrast

to

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._ retroviral

vectors,

2

said

today

3

of

4

and the reason

5

was,

in fact,

6

293

cells,

7

packaging

8

vectors

the

in fact,

a deletion

El gene,

have as have been already

in the El gene and in the place

you can clone that

El deleted

the present which

cell

so

9

being

used

were

11

transfer

purposes.

12

it,

13

certain

disadvantages

14

vectors,

for

15

of important

to

more

and

also

The

more

for

compared

gene

you've

reasons.

heard

They have

to

but they certainly

cells

to

deleted

grow

retroviral

have a number

adenovirus

the

replication

vectors

were

deficient

El

18

available,

and those

were the 293 cells,

19

in

1994 the

first

20

already ._ deleted

21

Crystal

in '94,

22

correctly,

23

trial

adenovirus

clinical

vector

which

was

probably

the CFTR gene.

So there Two, nine,

study done,

was the,

with

was if

for

an El

made by

I remember clinical

vector.

was a new use now for

three

also

and in fact,

That was the first

gene in an adenovirus

cells.

viral

adenovirus

vectors,

similar

suitable

El genes.

17

25

very

advantages.

16

24

of the

recombinant

for

example,

was chosen

generation

the

Adenovirus

suitable

be

first

expressed deleted

vectors

are quite

these

El

10

interest,

adenovirus

out

for

they

gene of

or the availability

turned

line

because

the

quite

some period

the

293

of time

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'. was the only

packaging

2

of adenovirus

vectors.

3

deleted

El

4

became common practice.

5

to use adenoviruses

6

limitations

7

It

became apparent

a

to

recombination

9

cells

into

10

gave

rise

11

adenovirus,

12

difficult

13

and of

14

vector

15

be physically

at that

RCA,

with

and

the ideal

ia

we decided

19

you here,

sequences

of

replication

turned

around here

that

the

identical

used,

this

and instead

be

very

vector, to

the

cannot

really

and therefore,

first,

just

vector

in which

of

the

it,

to show the

gene of

here. are

23

proportion

24

the El gene and P9, protein

25

be quite

293

the

adenovirus

a considerable

to

293 was not

is the recombinant

can be inserted

of

competent

from the vector.

19 -- oh,

here

293

and this

and therefore

gene therapy

deleted,

due

the

of RCA free

almost

293.

is that

occur,

out

batches

was clear for

line,

from

could

it

started were also

cell

vector

RCA is

separated

And

22

El

growth

transfer

there

and that

the gene of interest,

vector

is

but

time,

large

the

So it

for

gene

packaging

formation

course,

for

as a factor;

the El deleted

17

21

vectors

between

to

available

More and more groups

to produce

-El gene ', interest

line

to the available

16

20

cell

cells

with

genome integrated 9, and there

overlap

at both

turns sides

a with

out to between

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the

recombinant

2

vectors

of both

sides

vector,

which.is

essentially,

again,

So the

5 6

vector

yields

7

replicating.

8

concentrations

9

don't

10

dissemination

11

also

12

together

of

type

This

it.

It not

the it

14

virus

strains

15

where

the

16

example,

17

other

18

replication

19

partially

only

could

that

replicates

theoretically

also

in

can. attach So in

that

that

case of multiplydelete'dvectors,

23

that

24

E2A,

25

vector,

will

can

could

22

El

still

yield

modified such

other

new vector

a way,

for

receptors

when say

that

that

yield,

and

becomes

this

give

containing

to deletion

example,

but

is

a'

you have created.

replication

in addition

to case

you

21

it

virus,

factor

uncontrolled

same cell.

competent

for

type

modified

deficient

you

wild

is

it

where

the

capsid

Also,

high

to

capsid

new virus

toxicity,

of

rise

case of

it

capable

in places

the

cells.

20

cause

in

that

is

give

of

in the

It

which

of virus

could

type adenovirus.

of the El gene in the

virus,

recombinant

with

13

the wild

could

perhaps

want

generation

you can get back RCA,

combination

wild

first

of the El region.

And be recombination

3 4

adenovirus

when El

for

viruses example,

of El also is

to

in

the

vectors

deleted

reinserted

be replication

rise

deficient

in E2, into

the

because

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the E2A gene is absent,

2

immortalizing

3

you have created. So in 1995,

5

Fallaux,

6

from our university

7

we should

8

matching

factor

9

sequence

overlap

Brahm Bout

try

sequences

Gene Therapy

such

cell

that

allowed

13

vectors,

14

pharmaceutical

15

you can just

16

the

17

Adenovirus

of

as well for

the

in order

RCA.

cells

20

because

21

transformation

22

worthwhile

that

time.

these

cells

it

that

line

there

and is

no

and the advanced

try

to make a new system

It

of adenovirus

should

to do that,

also all

over again

and it

of

meet

could

multiply

be

deleted

also. the

human embryonic

Why not

kidney

we didn't

retina

cells?

Simply

to adenovirus

think

it

would

be

all.

Human embryonic

23

that

were so resistant

that to try

cell

If you start

So we choose

19

Fallaux

decided

production

manufacture

5 vectors

that

line.

standards.

ia

Group,

is

Frits

and Frits

factor

pharmaceutical

three

basis

the

virus

(phonetic),

a way

between

And indeed,

12

Brahm Bout

from IntroGene

in

in theory,

competent

and make a new helper

in the

11

at

vector,

or transformation

4

10

but this

24

Gallimore

had shown not

25

embryonic

retina

long

retina

was chosen because

before

was permissive

to

that

that

human

transformation,

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.- could

be transformed

2

12,

3

in

4

embryonic

and that

was,

animals,

7

studied,

8

transformed

9

a real

10

based on some other we decided

to

5 and studies

take

human

cells. can be transformed

at least

in some of the cases that

there

is no real

crisis.

by Adenovirus we have

So the cells

become

and then go on to become immortal

crisis

in

which

the

whole

culture

without stops

the

fighting. Transformation

il 12

efficiency,

13

it

is

but

is

anyway,

there

So I isolated

15

healthy

16

old.

17

or the

pregnancy

18

weeks,

and it

19

abortus',

20

because

fetus

as far

turned

abortus

23

before

October

out

rather

low and

from a'fetus, be seen, with

of

provocatus,

normal

and

to get

this.

rid

There

from a 18 weeks

a family

history

up to

to be a socially

was, however,

that of the

the

indicated was

simply

fetus.

was permission,

was in 1985,

18

et

ten years

this. This

24

special

the woman wanted

and that

retina

was completely

We got cetera,

a

is transformation,

as could

There was nothing

21 22

still

reproducible.

14

25

Adenovirus

So they

5

5, and also

again,

and therefore, retina

6

by adenoviruses,

shows that

I as, Leiden

University

the cells

were isolatedin

in my lab.

They were

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then

isolated

inseparate

2

contained

3

did it

4

cell

5

That was only

6

cell

a laminar

air

in the cell culture

cell flow

culture

rooms that devoted

culture

cabinet,

area, and that

area of the three we had available

to diploid

cell

which was we

different

at that-time. cultures,

human

cultures. The cell

7 8

from certified

9

should

10

nitrogen,

11

for

say,

supplies. the

construct,

14

between

15

allow

16

production.

were frozen,'

of the defined

in

to

order cells

18

regulated

not

19

promoter,

and the

20

functionally

21

interested

genes

by the

23

University.

There

24

was

The

25

different

this.

colonies

and

El

the

thing

El

but

was all

that

PGK

sequenced

and.

out

at

DNA used. yielded

about

18 days,

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was no carrier transfection

would vector

I can show you if

was carried

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homology

deleted

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liquid

PER.CG cells

on expression

after

I

was thawed

sequence

vectors,

in

characterized. the data

in

files

ElA promoter,

whole

'85,

identifiers

free

Transfection

22

El,

and the

The El

course,

already

stored

eliminate

RCA contamination

17

of

PER.CG cells.

We used

the

time

1995 one of these

the generation

13

media were,

At that

cells

and in

12

culture

you are genes. Leiden In

'95

a number

of

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several

of those

were isolated.

2

finally

was established

3

Clone

4

of viruses

5

and ElB gene products.

6 was chosen

and gave rise

because

and also

7

it

is possible

8

I remember

9

sometimes

that

from

10

university

12

picked,

13

was close

14

building,

15

by them.

in

yield

had rather

high

expression

of ElA

did not go through

in some case a crisis

crisis

and

in

materials

18

down at IntroGene,

were used,

after

Leiden,

shows

20

recombinant

identifiers

21

gene is still

22

of

is

the

23

the gene of interest

is

present

and here

in

cell

gene construct

colonies

were

to IntroGene,

which

fact,

the

control

same

was done

area defined

banks were laid

29, 33, and 36.

you

the

itself

it

area

in

culture

information.

The

shown here.

at the right

with

that

at the

Cell

hand and,

where

El is

The P9 in fact,

deleted

and

inserted.

Then the PER.CG cell El

as

event

the

of course. passage

This

J-9

24

Gallimore,

and the whole documentation

17

but

may be observed.

In the dedicated

El,

Phil

was transferred

by also

16

25

of

crisis, appears,

the transformation

Leiden

everything

to PER.CG, and

the highest

So after

11

6,

gave

experiments

a short

Clone

it

These cells

6

One of them,

was transformed

a PGK promoter

by an

and a polyacid

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.. of Hepatitis

B virus,

I believe.

And here is no sequence

2 3

RCA has never

4

experiments.

been observed

5

And this

6

you some comparisons

7

I remind

8

for

you that

different

in many,

is the

final

between

both

cell

The objective,

10

-- was basic

11

transformation

studies

12

studies,

but

gene

13

embryonic

kidney

14

to now,

research,

many different

slide

just

showing,

293 and PER.CG. lines

Again,

were made in my lab

as I indicated,

after

that,

expression

studies

in the years

manufacturing

of adenovirus

17

PER.CG is RCA free.

20

done

21

information

22

this

is

23

time

was a little

24

in a laminar

human

following

that

up

time

pharmaceutical As to RCA free,

three

is not.

documentation

out completely

that

for

vectors.

Two, nine,

The history has been carried

with

say.

16

19

293

not transformation

PER.CG was made just

18

is for

and we have done many different

cells

I would

15

25

and real

reasons.

9

at

homology

for

for

293.

of the cell

PER.CG and was not We -had

on 293 or what was available available

for

PER.CG.

primitive

flow

no

got lost,

Containment

perhaps

line

at

donor and that

and was now done

cabinet.

The serum sources

were of

noncommercial

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.. use.

Probably

2

samples

3

medium,

--

I

have

supplies

made it

were

Crisis

5

had a crisis,'

6

and these

free

history

was not crisis

cells,

for

serum

and

just

means that

293

free

at the long

PER.CG had no crisis

for

crisis,

some reason.

Andthenpharmaceuticalindustrystandard.

7 8

I

9

PER.CG were made for

realize

that

10

as far

11

have taken

this

as I know, license

12

sounds that

characterized,

14

is

a bit

for

commercial,

particular

more than

purpose.

50 different

PER.CG.

Two, nine,

13

three

but Also,

companies

1

was not

is in the public

in the

domain,

same way

whereas

PER.CG

licensed. So I

15

think

I'm

16

wants to see the data again

17

on,

but

I don't

18

think

at

the

of virus

that's

end if

much, Dr.

very

then

22

take

a couple

Ms. Fisher. DR. DECKER:

Dr.

important. Thank

of

you

questions.

very

is not capable

human diploid

24

of cytolysis?

The human cell DR. VAN DER EB:

Dr.

Kohl.

Did you say that

23

25

and so

van der Eb. We'll

Decker,

somebody

production

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

20 21

now used

Certified

et cetera.

4

19

myself.

cell

transformer

adenovirus because

-Yeah,

yeah.

Well,

yes.

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What I said

2

a virus

is

you --

and you put

types

that

4

skin,

embryonic

5

and that

'3

that

DR.

8

adapting

9

might

wipe out a whole

DECKER:

Does

and human diploid it

that

11

possibility.

12

different

13

tested

14

DNA, also

15

of the DNA.

16

that

I don't types

were

of diploid

by fragments

that

17

tissues,

19

be transformed,

20

be that

cells

later

--

23

neural

of neural

24

this

25

is that

that

is a

the

that

three

we have just

by

fragments

but I don't

believe

there

might

be other

in the human body that retina

known that

more clearly

five

because

also,

are also

22

cells

it

transformation

example,

cells is

cytolysis

issue.

for

It

21

an then

that

human cells

and tissues

neural

the

Theoretically

to

What I think

18

might

of the DNA, resection

We did it

is a big

that

capability?

believe

so resistent

area.

imply

get

the

reaction,

adapted

way so you didn't

the

culture

that

cell

DR. VAN DER EB:

10

DNA or

kidney,

Then you see lytic

unmask a transformation

is

intact

on human diploid.cells,

lung. just

6

attenuated

you take

we have used is the embryonic

will

7

it

if

cells.

It

could

Type

12 is

transformed. Adenovirus

much more efficient origin

can

in

than

we are talking

Adenovirus

about

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

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here.

Thank you.

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Ms. Fisher,

then

2

MS. FISHER:

From your chart

3

there

was no cell

crisis

with

4

DR. VAN DER EB:

5

MS. FISHER:

6

that

you said

DR.

7 8

believe,

9

in

slowed

11

did

type but

not

he just bit,

14

the whole

know.

culture

just

Minor,

There

took

took

the

off

DR. KOHL:

1‘8

prion

19

specifically

20

especially

transmittable about

off

cells

again. that

be a crisis,

again

the

is a but

and continued. then Dr.

like

fetal

the

possibility

can you calf

tell

of

us more

history

of PER.CG,

certified

sources,

'85?

You said I'd

Regarding

diseases,

back in

21

but

I

one or two weeks

not say that could

been,

by Gallimore that

and during

That

have

observed

described

observed.

please.

17

it

was from

--

23

DR. VAN DER EB:

24

DR. KOHL:

25

crisis

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: Dr. Kohl,

15

that

--

was a short

of crisis

I don't

you said

-- use .of PER.CG, but before

So you can perhaps crisis.

Minor.

No.

seem to grow and then

13

Kohl and Dr.

the

VAN DER EB:

down a little

12

22

there

a short

some cases,

10

16

that

Dr.

--

Yeah. to

know more about

that,

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1

DR.

2

DR. KOHL:

3

us about

4

the

the

father

VAN

DER

And, number'two,

neurological

of the

Yeah.

EB:

history

of the

I can,

yes.

6

source

of the serum,

we were able

to

7

--

me see where

I have it

that

8

obtained

in August

of 1985 from

9

serum,

let

and it

was not

10

came from in this

11

samples

12

were all

that

American

15

source.

It

were selected

18

for

,I9

usually

20

either

from Flow or GIBCO or both,

21

one is

the best

And if

22

so that

like

cloning they select

23

enough

24

and we had the other

25

cells

something

for

they

at that

very

time.

GIBCO, also not

European

and they

different

samples

and they test

of human diploid one, the batch

can have enough

serum

of Rotterdam

carefully,

seven

North

These

by the University

of diploid

serum

and afterwards

cells.

samples

Flow

but the Flow serum

sources

17

get

where the

before

these

serum was

was Flow,

was .certainly

we got

back that

the

it

we had sometimes

Yes,

growth

--

case,

American

sources.

16

and

As to the.

trace

stated

we got in the years

Also

14

--

exactly

particular

from North

13

mother

fetus?

DR. VAN DER EB:

5

can you tell

for

half

which cells.

is-large a year,

half.

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

Thank you.

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Dr.

2

DR. VAN DER EB:

3

another

please. Oh, prion.

DR. KOHL: the mother

and the

The neurological

7

father.

The mother

8

know and

had

9

mother. the

11

healthy.

--

there

same hospital

The

13

hospital

14

father,

15

abortion

anymore, and that

Both the mother

was completely

in

Leiden,

father

which

was not

was,

in

in

completely

not

to

the

and unknown

reason

why the

was requested.

17

DR. MINOR: it.

Dr. Minor.

You may have said

18

missed

19

number of El in the PER.CG and the site

20

of the DNA? In other

21

to it?

Is

there

anything

words,

22

DR. VAN DER EB:

23

DR. MINOR: in the

Or'is

this

know about

is El really

and I

the

copy

of integration all

there

is

Yeah. it

where it's

actually

-DR. VAN DER EB:

25

afterwards were

the

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

put

the

down,

fact,

I

with

known,

what was written

That

wrong

two children

16

24

of

and the

normal.

was nothing

She had at least

12

histories

father.

DR. VAN DER EB:

6

10

No, you had

question?

4 5

Minor,

No, El is the only

thing

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.. that's

present

that

2

'remember.

3

me.

4

are all

located

5

in that

kind

6

transfection

7

that

8

integrated,

are

in PER.C6.

I can't

Maybe somebody in the audience

I think

about

close

or seven

calcium

I think,

only

nothing

9

that

at this

11

Dr.

12

presentation,

13

adenovirus

transformed

14

transformed

cell

15

their

der

Eb very and

tumor

on.

ia

experimental

19

relate

20

hit

21

-region

22

expressed

23

area

24

explains

25

immunocompetent

tumor

on one chromosome

is

point

Dr.

and it's

another

Cook

to

of

to

per

us

about

tumorigenicity that

and determine

5 to

and

se

like to

to do is focus start

with

models and.how that

of

the

ElA

sensitize

immunological

the lack

informative

tell

at hand and then

ability

interest

to thank

capacity.

tumorigenicity

of Adeno.

going

interactions

development

the

Thank you.

we're

cell

host

to the question about

see after --

DR. COOK: So what I'd

17

may be

only

much for

ask

forming

16

which

So they

phosphate,

one side

it,

else.

I think van

in

you often

ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:

10

can correct

copies

to each other.

of tandem repeat with

is,

six

exactly

gene

cells

injury. I

think

of tumorigenicity

talk of

might

a little this

in which That's

it

in

to

El it's

been our

some extent

of these

cells

in

animals. NEAL R. GROSS

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