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FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION CENTER FOR BIOLOGICS EVALUATION AND RESEARCH + + + + +
VACCINES AND RELATED BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTSADVISORY COMMITTEE + + + + +
MEETING
WEDNESDAY, MAY
16,
2001
Inn
Gaithersburg,
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Robert
Gaithersburg,
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Maryland,
S. Daum, Acting
Chair,
Montgomery
at 9:00 a.m.,
presiding.
PRESENT: ROBERT S. DAUM, M.D.,
Acting
Chair
C. ESTUARDO AGUILAR-CORDOVA, M.D., DONALD BLAIR,
Ph.D.
Ph.D.
JOHN COFFIN, Ph.D. JAMES COOK, M.D. MICHAEL DECKER, M.D. PAMELA S. DIAZ,
M.D.,
Member
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ALEX J. VANDER EB, Ph.D. WALTER L. FAGGETT, M.D.,
Member
BARbARA LOE FISHER, MemberJUDITH D. GOLDBERG,.Sc.D., DIANE E. GRIFFIN,
M.D.,
member
Ph.D.,
Member
STEPHEN HUGHES, Ph.D. SAMUEL L. KATZ, M.D., KWANGSIK KIM, M.D., STEVE KOHL, M.MD.,
Member Member
Member
,PAMELA McINNES, D.D.S., PHILIP
Msc.(Dent.)
MINOR, Ph.D.
LAWRENCEMOULTON, Ph.D. MARTIN MYERS, M.D. SUZETTE PRIOLA, Ph.D. DAVID S. STEPHENS, M.D.,
Member
SIDNEY WOLFE, M.D. NANCY CHERRY, Executive
Secretary
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Conflict
of
Introductions
Interest
Statement
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Introduction to the Session on Designer Cell Substrate, Dr.AndrewLewis . . . . ...16 Designer Cell Substrates for Vaccine Development: Concepts and Issues, Dr. Steve Hughes . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35 Adenovirus Biology as Related to Development and Use of Adenovirus Vectors, Dr. Estuardo Aguilar-Cordova . . . . . . . . . 54 Adenovirus Transformation of Human Cells and.the Development of 293 and PER.CG for the Manufacture of Defective Adenovirus Vectors, Dr.AlexvanderEb . . . . . . . . . . . 77 Adenovirus Transformed Cell Transformed Cell-Host Determine their Tumor Dr. James Cook . . . Quantitative Assessment Residual DNA, Dr.
Tumorigenicity and Interaction that Forming Capability, . . . . . . . . . .
of the Risks Keith Peden
100
of . . . . .
131
Introduction to Adventitious Agent Issues, Dr. Philip Krause, . . . . . . . . . . .
161
Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy Agents as an Issue in the Use of Neoplastic Cell Substrates, Dr. Sue Priola . . . . . . .
168
- Adventitious Agent Testing of Neoplastic Cell Substrates, Dr. Philip Krause . . . . .
196
Review
of OVRR-CBER Issues with the Use of Adenovirus-vectored Vaccines and their Complementing Designer Cell Substrates, Dr. Hana Golding . . . . . . . . . . . .
Committee
Discussion
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must
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the use of residual
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themselves
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ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: opportunity
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discussion. Committee
input?
Dr.
Goldberg,
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and then
Dr.
DR. GOLDBERG: Yeah,
2 3
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22
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Griffin.
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any certainty
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you can to make
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I guess
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and the
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cells.
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to move on then
much, Dr. Lewis
Okay.
Thank you.
at this
point
--
-- to Dr. Steve Hughes'
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presentation,
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Vaccine
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specific
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give
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DR. HUGHES:
or
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cell
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to answer
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in looking
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answers
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to
question?
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5
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of mice,
moves us one step
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that
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as tumorigenic,
number,
a series
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question,
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the
23
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we regard
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understand
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one agent,
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to a human situation? DR. HUGHES:
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think,the
answer
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Dr.
22
DR. KOHL:
23
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: Dr. Myers,
24
DR. MYERS: I guess I have two questions.
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On the
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Thank you.
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technology to
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DR. HUGHES:
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animal have any
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tumorigenicity
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situations,
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on tumorigenicity
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on.
to my colleague
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Dr.
Thank
you
for
Aguilar-Cordova.
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DR:LEWIS: question
about
tumorigenic,
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occurs
three
7
transform
8
tumorigenic.
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tumorigenic.
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with
that a,
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suggests
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different
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which.that
Just
nobody
cell
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proposed for
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
one of
our attention. Thank
you,
Dr.
Lewis.
17
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: Myquestionactually
18
follows
19
what
very
well
I started
20
on that,
a follow-up
on
to say. So if
21
particular
22
SV40 T antigen
23
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24
complementing
25
and it's
it's
event,
of
a series
whether
it
of
be the
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cell
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events,
it
would
telomerase, depending
hits
so that
a the
on the they're
oncogenes? And
I
guess
that
begs
the
question
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23
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24
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25
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levels
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changes
to
phenotype
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if
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earlier,
at
reasons
multiple
tumorigenic
actually
22
say
high
in
the properties of the cells, .sufficient necessarily to drive Frank
delivered
of individual
some cases
genes
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change
of adding
even
for nor
in many cases see the effects
the Frank phenotypic that
through
give
morphology,
that
end myc.,
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that
So I think
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and use of adenovirus
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general,
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use as vectors.
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to
give
adenoviruses
discussion
identified
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and their
in
the
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early
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serotypes,
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and also
by
protein
to red
cells. And
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tumor,
adenoviruses
it
turns
out
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have more tumorigenic
some groups ability
of
in rodent
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as you can see,
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24
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would be like Everything
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are in as been
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to baseline,
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no expression
doses of the vector
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same insert.
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vector,
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19
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first
at
Morall,
vector,
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profile.
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can
we see is
still
of genes.
immune response.
trans-.gene some data
not
are
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occur
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genes,
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content
clear
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6
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two of the veator
three
have a very
is out 100 weeks here, vector
animals
by 20 weeks.
and
had lost
Most of it
was
by ten weeks.
25
But there
was one animal
with
a gutless
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on how deep
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soup
24
allowed
25
these
to progress, will
all
is,.
we also of
need to them
the gene of interest
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reach
The
depending assay
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a soup
cells.
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are into
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how long
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of particles
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and many other never
to
are typically
on top of some target
problem
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but. then how
22
known
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I want
what we do is we just
of particles
on
agents.
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Often
20
and
slides
control
and so we have the quantity
of
about,
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to do that,
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spoke
in
of the vectors,
I will
14
21
I just
brief
And in order you an idea
Of course,
you a sense of what is not
testing
done for
can be used to generate
the analyses
go very,
13
and
an immune response
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than what is known.
the
weeks,
anti-trypsin.
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mostly
by ten
had developed
So these
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gets
most of the
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and whether is quite
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and you see here you can't
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was
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vector
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the
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just
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18
in a very
I've
shown
turns
out in that
period
21
converted
22
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23
viruses.
24
that into
not
due
profiles.
Hoffman,
the distance, on, the
into
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a clinical only
from
and a vector
in,
particular
dropping that
that
the pH, and could
be lost
to
their
biology
gene
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transfer
dangerous,
I think, can be
vehicles.
even as wild
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of
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of time.
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inherently
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ice.
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by Neiber
town
tias a seven log differential
19
specific.
for .shipment
was seeping
short
those
adenoviruses
tell
on dry ice
on dry
from
differential across
was shipped
shipped
with
may be very
as an experiment that
titer
from a paper
log
an identical
and we had a two log
experienced
of data
get
variable. out
determined
a seven
15
25
laboratories,
they
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,.generation small,
vectors
temporal
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4
standardization
5
necessary,
6
of determining
7
entities.
8
a whole,
and I'm
11
standard
12
these
the
is very
there
a of
wild
things
as
a last
adenoviruses
there
is
developing so that
a
all
of
and quantified.
14
ACTING CHAIRMAN DADM:
I have. Thank
you
very
much. That
16
many questions
Stephens,
20
: ',
21
'regarding
was extremely
for Dr.
18 19
potency.
is
That's
17
of these
mention,
that
way
the data as
of clinical
can be compared all
is
standard
to analyze
group
type
specifications
13
15
a
because
and the quantity
assurance
working
clear
is a very
difficult
just
very
dose
the potency
And currently
actually
told
and thus,
9 10
is
of
It
in
stage.
And this
3
and only
Dr.
22
and retroviral
23
the
24
having
25
idea
status
Coffin
Katz.
difference
retrovirus
You said
something
between
adenoviral
that
an urban
been subject that
raises
and then Dr. Kohl and then Dr.
vectors of
It
us to consider.
DR. COFFIN: the
helpful.
I think
legend
to a real vectors
test,
on
vectors
has something
without
might
early
ever and that
of
actually is the
have some greater
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-danger
because
2
DNA into
3
don't
of
a cell,
the
property
in the cell
of
integrating
DNA, whereas
their
adenoviruses
do that. That's
4
actually
5
Adenoviruses
6
integrated
7
believe
that
8
numbers
are and I don't
9
what the numbers
do, of course, after
up
not
that
--
at
I don't
are,
know if but
entire
it's
10
make
11
integration
by
12
adenoviral
vectors
13
give,
14
of a fragment
15
a probability
of
retrovirus
16
administration
of
these
17
vehicles.
and in fact,
anybody quite in
they
21
standard
22
occasionally.
I didn't
mean to imply
23
more dangerous
or not.
I was just
24
of often
of
vectors
that
you
occasionally. operation,
high
after
or vaccine
It's but
they
as
is not
that their
do integrate that
reading
they off
were a list
events.
The one difference
25
doses
The fact
20
stated
the
as gene therapy
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:
of
you in
DNA integration
19
method
that
DNA may be equally
Can you comment on that?
integrate
knows exactly
of the integration
18
do
the
efficiency
in
the probability
and I
what
likely
retroviral
of adenovirus
DNA does get
know exactly
difference
versus
course.
some low event,
difference
the
of
-- adenovirus
infection
the
true,
would
be that
they
do
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2
at
3
integration
promoter
a
least~the
enhancer
promotion would
4
enhancement
But
COFFIN:
5
somewhere in the vector
6
a vector,
how
and often
9
comment.
10
is
11
yes,
they
data
or it
wouldn't
more than
compare I don't showing
and they
one,
So
,of
the
as
far
as
know that that
be
one
be any good as
Often,
if
yes,
integration
there
they
must
of course,
I
do integrate
--
and so can't
is any data.
There
on occasion,
persist.
12
ACTING
13
DR. KOHL:
Two questions.
14
Thanks
your
15
effect
there
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:
8
in the LTR.
be different.
DR.
7
in there,
Dr.
CHAIRMAN DAUM:
for
talk.
It
Kohl,
please.
was enjoyable
and elucidating. You mentioned
16 17
Could you elaborate
18
get
19
deleted
20
into
enough
the
21
leakage
that
that
the
concept
a little
from
you can get
further,
a gene
that
a competent
leakage.
and can you supposedly virus
is
injected
host? DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:
22
I was speaking
23
deleted.
24
on there.
25
of
about
Obviously
However,
So the leakage
was from the genes that the one that's
there
is
deleted
the
that
were not can't
potential
leak
for
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- recombination
with
leading
the gene inside
2
and thus
3
believe
that
4
PER-C6
cells
5
between
them and the 293 cells..
to a replication
that
will
were
7
more on the toxicities
8
causes
9
The platelets,
10
other
that?
developed,
and
the mechanism
the
liver
function
know are what the toxicities
13
course,
14
University
15
to
16
injected
as you've
heard,
dose
into
of
their
there
19
have seen in many animal
20
enzyme content,
21
not
22
seen the
with
upper
be
25
leakage
the
toxicity? and
animal
So what
we
and particularly,
was an incident
of in'the
vector
due
directly
artery.
respiratory
often
distress,
models
transient
models.
and what we
is an elevated
liver
and recoverable,
and
Many Phase 1 studies
have
same thing. Thrombocytopenia,
to
What
case what was seen was a DIC like
syndrome
24
bit
where a young man died
hepatic
18
23
a little
Yes.
an adenoviral
In that
just
are,
of Pennsylvania
17
difference
as well?
12
a large
of
I
transmission
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:
11
virus.
as why the
the
Can you elaborate
cell
of the adenoviralvector?
What's
toxicities
competent
be spoken to as far
DR. KOHL:
6
the packaging
caused because
due it
to
believed
endothelial
is consumptive
cell
but
not
shown
damage
and
thrombocytopenia.
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DR. KOHL:
2
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:
3
probably
4
potentially
5
infection.
cytopathic
effects
ACTING Stephens,
Dr.
Katz,
10
gene therapy
vectors
11
like
12
would.
13
versus
the E3 sequence
15
in or out
of clarify
in this
discussion
18
gene therapy.
19
had
20
accepted
'21
applications
22
vaccines.
that
discussion not,
23
and
trying
And Dr.
24
E3 region
25
he's
big
in
early
prop.onent
for
us,
if
you
lot, many in
Sure.
too, of
So not
be
just
of vaccine the
the
cancer
started
I believe,
or
RAC we've
what
to vaccinate
of leaving
should
vector.
a confusion
Ginsberg '8Os,
of
and I'd
that
as a member of a
there's
vectors,
you think
delivery
especially We're
Dr.
the questionrelatesto
is there I think
or
have
the issues
issue
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:
17
I
about
that
and whether
of the vaccine
16
and
to the original
discussion,
vaccine
More specifically,
14
is
Dr. van der Eb.
in my mind confusion
you to kind
vector
CHAIRMAN DAUM:
some at least
9
the
response
DR. STEPHENS: In this
8
The mechanism
of
an immunological
6 7
Who does the mechanism?
should
gene are,
be
therapy in
fact,
against
cancer.
working
with
or before,
the E3 region
an and
in when
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..
one wants to create
2
situation,
3
is
4
immune response
it
an immune response
is possible
an adjuvant
5
to
whatever
The flip in my laboratory
7
a gene
that
8
against,
for
9
tend to get an awful
one
of
t.hat
to
with lot
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
13
Dr.
14
DR.
and there
18
a module
19
and its
21
in
could
some
vector,
we
adenowirus
and
go either
way. Thank you.
please.
KATZ :
What
and what cells
is
the
express
receptor
for
the receptor?
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: The known receptor,
17
20
that
an
the gene of interest.
12
16
create
a CTL response
of CTL against
So it
adenovirus
to
an adenoviral
11
15
itself
when transducing
create
to none against
Katz,
is
and others,
wants
example,
little
the adenovirus
one wants
side
studies
very
in that
against.
6
10
that
because
'7 cells L some
are, probably called
the known receptor
CAR, coxsackie
distribution
is fairly
are especially integrants
others,
adenovirus ubiquitous.
high expressers,
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
23
DR. VAN DER EB: the
25
Even a deleted
issue
of
receptor, Epithelial
and it
also uses
as co-receptors.
22
24
is
leakage,
I'd
leakage
or undeleted
Dr.
van der Eb.
like
to come back to
that
you
vectors
mentioned.
are supposed
not
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_ to express
2
present
3
is
4
the
the
the rest
of the viral
in the vector. master
rest
switch
that
of the viral
6
time that
7
of
8
multiplicities
the
is because
directs
known already
leakage
may occur
viral
genome
For
10
ElA-like
11
of
the
rest
12
reaction
of
13
the host.
reason
activity
14
the
the
expression
host
for
occurs
a rather
for
efficient
16
region
then
when
this
very
creates
and leads
viral
genome
cell
17
some gene expression,
18
levels
to produce
19
although
But given
20
1-expression
21
absence.
of
the
consequent reaction
from
long
genes,
seems like
the El
there
is
maybe not at sufficient
the data, other
of
So in order
and to create
DR. VAN DER EB:
22
it
of
to expression
with
of the other
However,
virions
high
a kind
immunological
transcription
is necessary.
long
the rest
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: Right.
15
of
are used.
in the cell of
the EIA gene
and expressionof
of infection
9
the
is still
genome.
Now, it's
5
23
That
genome that
there
viral
the El.
seems to be some
genes
even
in
its
Is the data of Tom Shenk
ago?
24
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA:
25
ACTING CHAIRMANDAUM: Two last
Right. questions,
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~ please.
2
DR. COOK:
3
question
about
4
point
5
travel
6
theoretically
7
trying
8
that
9
it
of view to
the
I'd
E3 in or out. is
to shut
surface if
that
to respond
to the
E3's job from the virus'
down Class Golgi
were uniformly and it
in the cell
1 expression
or
mechanisms.
So
true
required
and you were expression
of
in which E3 was co-expressed,
would be a good idea maybe not to have E3 present.
10
The
truth
11
adenovirus
12
express
13
infection.
It
14
hours
infection
in normal
after
is
doesn't
that
are
could
17
the
18
greater.
19
system,
20
consider
21
expression
22
antigen
presentation
23
surface
of the gene of interest.
24
So it
ElA,
might
on the
very probably
is
surface or
in
48 to'72
expression are.
E3 effect on how. you
at least,
E3
don't
late
peptide
the
depend
but theoretically, whether
that
on what the kinetics
co-expresses
with
virus.
the
16
cell
is
happen until with
depending
YOU infect or cells
phenomenon
So chances occur,
when
human cells
that
ElA,
15
25
like
through
to make a vaccine peptide
just
is
much
rate
the
one would have to
downregulating and whether peptide
If
Class that
expression
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DR. BLAIR:
2 3
retroviral
4
there's
5
the virus
Yeah.
background,
as it's
This
but is there
an encapsidation
6
of
cell
comes out
of my
any evidence
that
DNA/RNA protein
Not
at
8 I-
certainly
9
proteins
the
level with
that the
we've
RNAs,
or viral-like
10 that,
12
recombination
13
events
and
certainly
that
14
much, Dr.
scheduled
18
We'll
19
der Eb.
break
reassemble
the possibility the
of
recombination
random pieces
we
will
of DNA.
Thank
shorten
to a 15-minute at
lo:55
you
very
the record
at IO:39
a.m.
22
the record
at lo:58
a.m.)
23
ACTING CHAIR.P@N DAUM:
the foregoing
down as quickly
20-minute
I have 10:40.
and continue
21
settle
the
break.
(Whereupon,
25
of
possibility
non-specific
20
please
viral-like
Aguilar-Cordova. And
17
retroviruses
and so on.
there's
package
I know of.
of
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
16
24
in
especially
there's
events, would
seen
particles
But certainly
11
in
assembled?
DR. AGUILAR-CORDOVA: Not that
7
15
Blair.
Dr.
..
with
matter
Dr.
van
went off
and went back on
as they
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
Would
everybody
can? We're
ready
to
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continue
with
the open session. We will
2 3
tell
4
and the
5
manufacture
now call
us about adenovirus development
transformation
of defective
adenovirus
Welcome,
7
DR. VAN DER EB:
8
So what I would to
of human cells
of 293 and PER.CG cells
6
9
on Dr. Alex van der Eb to
for
the
vaccines.
Dr. van der Eb. Thank you. like
to do is to describe
you how and why we have made two different
10
lines,
11
which
12
made in
13
material,
14
Leiden.
15
from human embryonic
16
fetal
tissue
17
that,
so that
18
the PER.CG cell
19
in 1995 from an embryonic
20
made from fetal
21
1985.
adenovirus are called
transformed
and
also
was prepared The 293 cell
the
cells,
by myself
kidney
were
starting
at the University
cells
that
of
were made from one year
was in 19 -- probably
before
in 1972,
whereas
was made by Ron Bout and Frits retina
cultures
tissue
by me ten years
just
shows you again
genome and you have seen it
24
this
25
transform
was due to the cells
lines
the
ago by myself
23
virus
Both cell
lines
was made by Frank Graham in 1973
one year
This
22
human embryo cell
293 and PER.CG.
my lab,
cell
in tissue
already. fact
that
before
were
that,
in
the adenovirus The interest
that
culture.
Fallaux
the In fact,
viruses all
in can human
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adenoviruses tissue
or
almost
culture,
adenoviruses
and can
all
can transform
cells
in
that
certain
types
of
tumors
in
experimental
also
induce
animals. The transforming 6
survived the
8
-- the transforming
left-most
harbors
about
percent
the
with
genome that
could
I
human cells will
tell
human cells,
possible
virus
with
you
and it
in the first viral
we got
started
my lab
the
actually
developed
the
technique,
place
which
to make infectious
DNA.
you transfect
the
Adenovirus
Type 5 into
permissive
infectious
virus,
it
a pointer
all
Graham in
-- in
be transformed, how
DNA transfection
intact If
have
of
whether
phosphate
made it
18
is associated
in transforming
1972 when Frank
calcium
16
region
I hope it
We became interested
therefore,
transformed in
ten
-- oh,
the El region.
the question and
region
but here?
also
There
intact
viral
DNA of
human cells
you get
turned is
out
--
do you
no pointer?
Okay.
Thank you. And it 23
possible
24
cells proved
turns
to get infectious
with
the intact
capable
out virus
viral
of transforming
that
not
only
bytransfecting
was human
DNA, but also purified cultured
it
rodent
DNA cells,
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.but
human cells
could
not be transformed.
And the reason
2 3
got
destroyed
4
If
5
Daltons,
6
that
7
remained
8
viral
9
genome is necessary
the
by the
viralytic
DNA was sheared, up to
three
million
Daltons,
potential
a rather
As
I
itit0
small
for
purified
13
transformed,
everywhere
interested
14
human cells
by adenoviruses
just
15
whether
permissive
18
that
19
transformed
20
smaller
21
cells.
human
could
be perhaps
done
if
pieces,
24
there
25
cloning
with
cells
cells
yields
could in
not
be
transforming
in order
to find
rodent
detailed
out
time;
that
could
was sheared hamster
activity,
be into.
kidney
and this
studies
enzymes.
permissive
from the fact
cultures
were Syrian
shearing
were no restriction at that
cell
the DNA of adenovirus and these
that
transformed
The transforming
23
5 DNA
is possible.
semi-permissive
22
of the
of the viral
human
But we found some evidence human cells
out still
Adenovirus
effective
17.
cells
proportion
12
16
turned
a portion
transfected
that
it
transformation.
said,
but
reaction.
of rodent
11
virus,
human cells
up to 3 mega delta
indicating that-only
genome,
10
these
(phonetic)
however,
the transforming intact,
is that
at There
the transforming
that
was time;
was no DNA activity
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percent
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with
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cell
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15
that
time
because
16
evidence
17
with
cancer
18
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question,
19
still,
20
human adenoviruses
21
men.
and
although
fact,,
is is
have anything
23
human embryonic
24
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is mainly
25
system,
the rodent
method
kidney
that
because
Is
needed
for
less
or is
it
a model to
And that
was at
there
was no
at
to do
this
we followed Why kidney that
an
moment
no evidence
of the fact
model that
cells?
to do with
cultures.
the
an open issue,
it
there
of
have anything
was still
clearly
So the
22
in
it
it
although
human adenoviruses
whether
part
develop
study
in humans,
to transform
also
14
that
of the
by adenoviruses,
so,
And then can we simply
important
affect
question
at all
that
of rodent
13
all
by adenovirus
why we wanted
to
11
of adenoviruses.
reason
just
left-most
genome, and this
fragments
adenovirus
9
percent,
transformation
So the
5
.8
11 left
that
cancer
in
was take cultures? the rodent
we used were always
baby
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kidney
or
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kidney.
3
transformation
baby
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kidney
kidney
cultures
with
6
with
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DNA of
8
enzyme fragments.
the
with
calcium salmon
sperms.
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available
11
293 cell
12
simply
13
the
was made with
rodent
for
with
17
probably.
sheared
transformed
was as follows.
an unknown
family
20
for
normal.
the abortion
it
at
usable.
colonies
enzyme
and also
Adenovirus
that
material,
history, date
the
5 DNA, then as we did with
Nothing
the
it
in 1972
as I can remember
got
was,
known anymore.
was wrong.
but
kidney
of the fetus
were unknown to me. time,
fetal
was obtained
is not
as far
The fetus,
18
completely
restriction
not yet
The kidney
The precise
19
carrier
we had resection
So the kidney
16
5 DNA
cultures.
14
material
DNA.
using
was not
They were just
these
Adenovirus
technique
later
for
human embryonic
to make pure DNA, but the first
scored
15
these
So this
hamster
adenovirus
purified
phosphate
baby
suitable
sheared
sheared
One year
9
or
were very
When we transfected
5
22
cells
studies
4
21
mouse
was
The reasons I probably
knew
lost,
all
this
fetus
were
then
information. The
23 24
isolated
25
called
kidneys
and the kidney still
air
cabinet.
of cells
the
were isolated
in the SO-
There were no laminar
flow
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2
cabinet
3
and worked quite
4
to sterilize
that
and this,
was also used all well.
it,
cells,
7
the
simply
over for
a still tissue
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and that
air
culture
in it
just
was all.
So as we did
5 6
is
also.
for
the
rat
kidney
surrounding
membranes
were
removed
completely
as possible,
and the
kidneys
were
8
minced with
scissors,
9
were
recovered
10
cultured
11
serum.
in
trypsinized,
after medium
That
containing
13
a commercial
14
else,
15
blood,
calif
cultures
18
time.
19
all
20
-being ..
that
the
were
trypsin
bovine
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serum,
calf
got, it
not
from
or we made it
from
somebody
ourselves
from
blood. Rodent,
17
and the cells
serum was obtained
caif
source.
from another
16
then
is what we know. And this
12
removing
as
took So there
monkey,
place
and
in the
same general
was one cell
of the experiments,
other
all
human area
culture
room,
the cell
'culture
cell
at that
and there work was
done. There
21 22
but that
23
used in addition
24
the
25
possibly
was also
was in a separate
oncogenic also
experiments virus
to Adenovirus Adenovirus already
12,
Herpes
'with
viruses,
cultured
unit,
and we
5 whole
viruses,
also
as well virus,
as
SV40 and
but maybe Herpes
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prepare
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growing
and the DNA was then
this
case
through
million
calcium
and purifying
fragmented
and the DNA fragments with
the
by shearing up to
There was no cloning
indicated
type
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a 22 gauge needle
Daltons.
time,
wild
about
strategy
were transfected
salmon sperm DNA with
the
technique.
11
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12
the first
experiment
13
were not a single
14
it.
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15 16
found finally
17
in
18
after
19
transfection. .--
were rather
of quite
disappointing.
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a number of dishes
there.
transformed
colony.
no transformed
colony.
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many other
after
one transformed
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experiments,
colonywhichwas
we
visible
i
20 21
the
cultures,
and that
transfection
was
This colony,
and established
23
and that
24
seen after
25
cultures
appeared
seen,
33.
single
and became the There
22
this
colony
is because the cells were fixed
were one,
days
colony
after
was picked
293 cell.
two colonies the
33 days
second
here
mentioned,
colony,
was only
at the end of the experiment, and stained,
and one other
the colony
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would
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culture,
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faster,
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time
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human
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13
extremely
14
cannot
15
transforms
5. well
rodent
these
why human cells
18
adenoviruses.
19
came out
20
mutation
21
transformation.
are
with
the
quite
so
line
that
it
Another
22
they
same DNA that
also
it's
still
kidney
24
course,
of many different
cell
25
one
that
unclear
transformation
is
that
had
few cells
293 cell of
permissive
which types,
the
by
some kind
is that
human embryonic
very
replicate 5,
became
possibility
are
that by
to
that
primary
there
a week.
cells
moment,
23
--
and a doubling
efficiently.
resistant
a cell
to grow
Adenovirus
One possibility of
started
transformation
replicating
cells
was that.
from these experiments
Although
So up to this
17
four
poorly
to
be transformed
16
passage
resistant
in
months in
down the number of
a week or more than
are
which
to expand. five
time the cells
So it appeared
10
difficult
to free.ze
relatively
was at least
colony
and after
ampules,
And at that
we had missed.
transformed
to 293 was very
hardly it
single
which
since
to
this
consists, that in
is of
there the
a
is
whole
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which
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that
3
transformation
this
particular
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7
and this
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something here ,to that
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cells
appear
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adenovirus.
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fibroblasts
14
result.
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cells.
to
that
also
for
transformation,
tried
have
and
around
fibroblasts,
that
page
example. crisis
time,
the
22
gradually
started
23
you
to
24
Nothing
skin
any positive
cells
the There
And then
the
13,
that
lung
the
cells
went
is also
seen
in human diploid
They always lasted
to die,
defeat
happens.
by
human embryonic
is followed
This During
neural
diploid
never
a
transformation.
19
21
'is
transformation
the same type of crisis
20
so that
human
tried
know,
to me when I was
to
when SP40 transformation
25
We don't
occurred
one
a neural
be more prone
18
have
is actually
culture.
We
for
those
but
testedbecause
Anyway, crisis,
and of
probably,
Gaithersburg,
No positive
into
one
canprobablybe
We also
16
know
the 29? cell
was present is
came from
never
is that
that
transformation,
cells.
We will
5
to
cell
prone
4
'17
are permissive
go in crisis.
nearly
remained
three on the
months. dish
some of them at least. cultures is no cell culture
for
a long
or So
time.
division. started
to
recover
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for
some reason
2
case of SV40, but apparently
3
begin
4
what happens
to
not in the same way as usually
grow,
whatever
in this
that
crisis
After
5
activated,
,7
the
8
increased
9
then
by Frank
10
went
to Anestilles
11
have been published
were
when
the adenovirus
14
not
15
and this
16
also
17
not expressed,
the
in several
papers.
sharp,
some E4 region
but
adenovirus
DNA also
20
became interesting
21
this
22
about
gene
23
first
retroviral
24
vectors.
occurred
1974,
where he
and the
it
doesn't
really
in these
So this
is
matter, There is
cells,
to
basic
became interesting,
which
is
for
introducing
research, Adenoviruses
gene therapy.
in the '80s when people
And adenoviral
It
of
is in the 293 cells.
addition
vectors,
data
the part
in the 293 cells.
as factors
therapy,
rate
were shipped
4,041 nucleotides.
however.
i9
growth
to show here also
present
in
recovering,
in Canada,
in
genome present
Now,
is
and
(phonetic)
is the left-most
18
telomerase start
Graham to McMaster
completely
know
Severalambules
I would like
13
We don't
cells
subcultured
significantly.
12
over the plate
base.
apparentlywhenthe
cells
all
means.
crisis,
6
25
cells
in the
started
genes
'and also
later
vectors,
in
So
to think
into
cells,
adenoviral
contrast
to
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._ retroviral
vectors,
2
said
today
3
of
4
and the reason
5
was,
in fact,
6
293
cells,
7
packaging
8
vectors
the
in fact,
a deletion
El gene,
have as have been already
in the El gene and in the place
you can clone that
El deleted
the present which
cell
so
9
being
used
were
11
transfer
purposes.
12
it,
13
certain
disadvantages
14
vectors,
for
15
of important
to
more
and
also
The
more
for
compared
gene
you've
reasons.
heard
They have
to
but they certainly
cells
to
deleted
grow
retroviral
have a number
adenovirus
the
replication
vectors
were
deficient
El
18
available,
and those
were the 293 cells,
19
in
1994 the
first
20
already ._ deleted
21
Crystal
in '94,
22
correctly,
23
trial
adenovirus
clinical
vector
which
was
probably
the CFTR gene.
So there Two, nine,
study done,
was the,
with
was if
for
an El
made by
I remember clinical
vector.
was a new use now for
three
also
and in fact,
That was the first
gene in an adenovirus
cells.
viral
adenovirus
vectors,
similar
suitable
El genes.
17
25
very
advantages.
16
24
of the
recombinant
for
example,
was chosen
generation
the
Adenovirus
suitable
be
first
expressed deleted
vectors
are quite
these
El
10
interest,
adenovirus
out
for
they
gene of
or the availability
turned
line
because
the
quite
some period
the
293
of time
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'. was the only
packaging
2
of adenovirus
vectors.
3
deleted
El
4
became common practice.
5
to use adenoviruses
6
limitations
7
It
became apparent
a
to
recombination
9
cells
into
10
gave
rise
11
adenovirus,
12
difficult
13
and of
14
vector
15
be physically
at that
RCA,
with
and
the ideal
ia
we decided
19
you here,
sequences
of
replication
turned
around here
that
the
identical
used,
this
and instead
be
very
vector, to
the
cannot
really
and therefore,
first,
just
vector
in which
of
the
it,
to show the
gene of
here. are
23
proportion
24
the El gene and P9, protein
25
be quite
293
the
adenovirus
a considerable
to
293 was not
is the recombinant
can be inserted
of
competent
from the vector.
19 -- oh,
here
293
and this
and therefore
gene therapy
deleted,
due
the
of RCA free
almost
293.
is that
occur,
out
batches
was clear for
line,
from
could
it
started were also
cell
vector
RCA is
separated
And
22
El
growth
transfer
there
and that
the gene of interest,
vector
is
but
time,
large
the
So it
for
gene
packaging
formation
course,
for
as a factor;
the El deleted
17
21
vectors
between
to
available
More and more groups
to produce
-El gene ', interest
line
to the available
16
20
cell
cells
with
genome integrated 9, and there
overlap
at both
turns sides
a with
out to between
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the
recombinant
2
vectors
of both
sides
vector,
which.is
essentially,
again,
So the
5 6
vector
yields
7
replicating.
8
concentrations
9
don't
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dissemination
11
also
12
together
of
type
This
it.
It not
the it
14
virus
strains
15
where
the
16
example,
17
other
18
replication
19
partially
only
could
that
replicates
theoretically
also
in
can. attach So in
that
that
case of multiplydelete'dvectors,
23
that
24
E2A,
25
vector,
will
can
could
22
El
still
yield
modified such
other
new vector
a way,
for
receptors
when say
that
that
yield,
and
becomes
this
give
containing
to deletion
example,
but
is
a'
you have created.
replication
in addition
to case
you
21
it
virus,
factor
uncontrolled
same cell.
competent
for
type
modified
deficient
you
wild
is
it
where
the
capsid
Also,
high
to
capsid
new virus
toxicity,
of
rise
case of
it
capable
in places
the
cells.
20
cause
in
that
is
give
of
in the
It
which
of virus
could
type adenovirus.
of the El gene in the
virus,
recombinant
with
13
the wild
could
perhaps
want
generation
you can get back RCA,
combination
wild
first
of the El region.
And be recombination
3 4
adenovirus
when El
for
viruses example,
of El also is
to
in
the
vectors
deleted
reinserted
be replication
rise
deficient
in E2, into
the
because
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the E2A gene is absent,
2
immortalizing
3
you have created. So in 1995,
5
Fallaux,
6
from our university
7
we should
8
matching
factor
9
sequence
overlap
Brahm Bout
try
sequences
Gene Therapy
such
cell
that
allowed
13
vectors,
14
pharmaceutical
15
you can just
16
the
17
Adenovirus
of
as well for
the
in order
RCA.
cells
20
because
21
transformation
22
worthwhile
that
time.
these
cells
it
that
line
there
and is
no
and the advanced
try
to make a new system
It
of adenovirus
should
to do that,
also all
over again
and it
of
meet
could
multiply
be
deleted
also. the
human embryonic
Why not
kidney
we didn't
retina
cells?
Simply
to adenovirus
think
it
would
be
all.
Human embryonic
23
that
were so resistant
that to try
cell
If you start
So we choose
19
Fallaux
decided
production
manufacture
5 vectors
that
line.
standards.
ia
Group,
is
Frits
and Frits
factor
pharmaceutical
three
basis
the
virus
(phonetic),
a way
between
And indeed,
12
Brahm Bout
from IntroGene
in
in theory,
competent
and make a new helper
in the
11
at
vector,
or transformation
4
10
but this
24
Gallimore
had shown not
25
embryonic
retina
long
retina
was chosen because
before
was permissive
to
that
that
human
transformation,
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2
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3
in
4
embryonic
and that
was,
animals,
7
studied,
8
transformed
9
a real
10
based on some other we decided
to
5 and studies
take
human
cells. can be transformed
at least
in some of the cases that
there
is no real
crisis.
by Adenovirus we have
So the cells
become
and then go on to become immortal
crisis
in
which
the
whole
culture
without stops
the
fighting. Transformation
il 12
efficiency,
13
it
is
but
is
anyway,
there
So I isolated
15
healthy
16
old.
17
or the
pregnancy
18
weeks,
and it
19
abortus',
20
because
fetus
as far
turned
abortus
23
before
October
out
rather
low and
from a'fetus, be seen, with
of
provocatus,
normal
and
to get
this.
rid
There
from a 18 weeks
a family
history
up to
to be a socially
was, however,
that of the
the
indicated was
simply
fetus.
was permission,
was in 1985,
18
et
ten years
this. This
24
special
the woman wanted
and that
retina
was completely
We got cetera,
a
is transformation,
as could
There was nothing
21 22
still
reproducible.
14
25
Adenovirus
So they
5
5, and also
again,
and therefore, retina
6
by adenoviruses,
shows that
I as, Leiden
University
the cells
were isolatedin
in my lab.
They were
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then
isolated
inseparate
2
contained
3
did it
4
cell
5
That was only
6
cell
a laminar
air
in the cell culture
cell flow
culture
rooms that devoted
culture
cabinet,
area, and that
area of the three we had available
to diploid
cell
which was we
different
at that-time. cultures,
human
cultures. The cell
7 8
from certified
9
should
10
nitrogen,
11
for
say,
supplies. the
construct,
14
between
15
allow
16
production.
were frozen,'
of the defined
in
to
order cells
18
regulated
not
19
promoter,
and the
20
functionally
21
interested
genes
by the
23
University.
There
24
was
The
25
different
this.
colonies
and
El
the
thing
El
but
was all
that
PGK
sequenced
and.
out
at
DNA used. yielded
about
18 days,
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PER.CG cells
on expression
after
I
was thawed
sequence
vectors,
in
characterized. the data
in
files
ElA promoter,
whole
'85,
identifiers
free
Transfection
22
El,
and the
The El
course,
already
stored
eliminate
RCA contamination
17
of
PER.CG cells.
We used
the
time
1995 one of these
the generation
13
media were,
At that
cells
and in
12
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you are genes. Leiden In
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several
of those
were isolated.
2
finally
was established
3
Clone
4
of viruses
5
and ElB gene products.
6 was chosen
and gave rise
because
and also
7
it
is possible
8
I remember
9
sometimes
that
from
10
university
12
picked,
13
was close
14
building,
15
by them.
in
yield
had rather
high
expression
of ElA
did not go through
in some case a crisis
crisis
and
in
materials
18
down at IntroGene,
were used,
after
Leiden,
shows
20
recombinant
identifiers
21
gene is still
22
of
is
the
23
the gene of interest
is
present
and here
in
cell
gene construct
colonies
were
to IntroGene,
which
fact,
the
control
same
was done
area defined
banks were laid
29, 33, and 36.
you
the
itself
it
area
in
culture
information.
The
shown here.
at the right
with
that
at the
Cell
hand and,
where
El is
The P9 in fact,
deleted
and
inserted.
Then the PER.CG cell El
as
event
the
of course. passage
This
J-9
24
Gallimore,
and the whole documentation
17
but
may be observed.
In the dedicated
El,
Phil
was transferred
by also
16
25
of
crisis, appears,
the transformation
Leiden
everything
to PER.CG, and
the highest
So after
11
6,
gave
experiments
a short
Clone
it
These cells
6
One of them,
was transformed
a PGK promoter
by an
and a polyacid
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.. of Hepatitis
B virus,
I believe.
And here is no sequence
2 3
RCA has never
4
experiments.
been observed
5
And this
6
you some comparisons
7
I remind
8
for
you that
different
in many,
is the
final
between
both
cell
The objective,
10
-- was basic
11
transformation
studies
12
studies,
but
gene
13
embryonic
kidney
14
to now,
research,
many different
slide
just
showing,
293 and PER.CG. lines
Again,
were made in my lab
as I indicated,
after
that,
expression
studies
in the years
manufacturing
of adenovirus
17
PER.CG is RCA free.
20
done
21
information
22
this
is
23
time
was a little
24
in a laminar
human
following
that
up
time
pharmaceutical As to RCA free,
three
is not.
documentation
out completely
that
for
vectors.
Two, nine,
The history has been carried
with
say.
16
19
293
not transformation
PER.CG was made just
18
is for
and we have done many different
cells
I would
15
25
and real
reasons.
9
at
homology
for
for
293.
of the cell
PER.CG and was not We -had
on 293 or what was available available
for
PER.CG.
primitive
flow
no
got lost,
Containment
perhaps
line
at
donor and that
and was now done
cabinet.
The serum sources
were of
noncommercial
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.. use.
Probably
2
samples
3
medium,
--
I
have
supplies
made it
were
Crisis
5
had a crisis,'
6
and these
free
history
was not crisis
cells,
for
serum
and
just
means that
293
free
at the long
PER.CG had no crisis
for
crisis,
some reason.
Andthenpharmaceuticalindustrystandard.
7 8
I
9
PER.CG were made for
realize
that
10
as far
11
have taken
this
as I know, license
12
sounds that
characterized,
14
is
a bit
for
commercial,
particular
more than
purpose.
50 different
PER.CG.
Two, nine,
13
three
but Also,
companies
1
was not
is in the public
in the
domain,
same way
whereas
PER.CG
licensed. So I
15
think
I'm
16
wants to see the data again
17
on,
but
I don't
18
think
at
the
of virus
that's
end if
much, Dr.
very
then
22
take
a couple
Ms. Fisher. DR. DECKER:
Dr.
important. Thank
of
you
questions.
very
is not capable
human diploid
24
of cytolysis?
The human cell DR. VAN DER EB:
Dr.
Kohl.
Did you say that
23
25
and so
van der Eb. We'll
Decker,
somebody
production
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
20 21
now used
Certified
et cetera.
4
19
myself.
cell
transformer
adenovirus because
-Yeah,
yeah.
Well,
yes.
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What I said
2
a virus
is
you --
and you put
types
that
4
skin,
embryonic
5
and that
'3
that
DR.
8
adapting
9
might
wipe out a whole
DECKER:
Does
and human diploid it
that
11
possibility.
12
different
13
tested
14
DNA, also
15
of the DNA.
16
that
I don't types
were
of diploid
by fragments
that
17
tissues,
19
be transformed,
20
be that
cells
later
--
23
neural
of neural
24
this
25
is that
that
is a
the
that
three
we have just
by
fragments
but I don't
believe
there
might
be other
in the human body that retina
known that
more clearly
five
because
also,
are also
22
cells
it
transformation
example,
cells is
cytolysis
issue.
for
It
21
an then
that
human cells
and tissues
neural
the
Theoretically
to
What I think
18
might
of the DNA, resection
We did it
is a big
that
capability?
believe
so resistent
area.
imply
get
the
reaction,
adapted
way so you didn't
the
culture
that
cell
DR. VAN DER EB:
10
DNA or
kidney,
Then you see lytic
unmask a transformation
is
intact
on human diploid.cells,
lung. just
6
attenuated
you take
we have used is the embryonic
will
7
it
if
cells.
It
could
Type
12 is
transformed. Adenovirus
much more efficient origin
can
in
than
we are talking
Adenovirus
about
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
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here.
Thank you.
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Ms. Fisher,
then
2
MS. FISHER:
From your chart
3
there
was no cell
crisis
with
4
DR. VAN DER EB:
5
MS. FISHER:
6
that
you said
DR.
7 8
believe,
9
in
slowed
11
did
type but
not
he just bit,
14
the whole
know.
culture
just
Minor,
There
took
took
the
off
DR. KOHL:
1‘8
prion
19
specifically
20
especially
transmittable about
off
cells
again. that
be a crisis,
again
the
is a but
and continued. then Dr.
like
fetal
the
possibility
can you calf
tell
of
us more
history
of PER.CG,
certified
sources,
'85?
You said I'd
Regarding
diseases,
back in
21
but
I
one or two weeks
not say that could
been,
by Gallimore that
and during
That
have
observed
described
observed.
please.
17
it
was from
--
23
DR. VAN DER EB:
24
DR. KOHL:
25
crisis
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM: Dr. Kohl,
15
that
--
was a short
of crisis
I don't
you said
-- use .of PER.CG, but before
So you can perhaps crisis.
Minor.
No.
seem to grow and then
13
Kohl and Dr.
the
VAN DER EB:
down a little
12
22
there
a short
some cases,
10
16
that
Dr.
--
Yeah. to
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that,
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DR.
2
DR. KOHL:
3
us about
4
the
the
father
VAN
DER
And, number'two,
neurological
of the
Yeah.
EB:
history
of the
I can,
yes.
6
source
of the serum,
we were able
to
7
--
me see where
I have it
that
8
obtained
in August
of 1985 from
9
serum,
let
and it
was not
10
came from in this
11
samples
12
were all
that
American
15
source.
It
were selected
18
for
,I9
usually
20
either
from Flow or GIBCO or both,
21
one is
the best
And if
22
so that
like
cloning they select
23
enough
24
and we had the other
25
cells
something
for
they
at that
very
time.
GIBCO, also not
European
and they
different
samples
and they test
of human diploid one, the batch
can have enough
serum
of Rotterdam
carefully,
seven
North
These
by the University
of diploid
serum
and afterwards
cells.
samples
Flow
but the Flow serum
sources
17
get
where the
before
these
serum was
was Flow,
was .certainly
we got
back that
the
it
we had sometimes
Yes,
growth
--
case,
American
sources.
16
and
As to the.
trace
stated
we got in the years
Also
14
--
exactly
particular
from North
13
mother
fetus?
DR. VAN DER EB:
5
can you tell
for
half
which cells.
is-large a year,
half.
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
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Dr.
2
DR. VAN DER EB:
3
another
please. Oh, prion.
DR. KOHL: the mother
and the
The neurological
7
father.
The mother
8
know and
had
9
mother. the
11
healthy.
--
there
same hospital
The
13
hospital
14
father,
15
abortion
anymore, and that
Both the mother
was completely
in
Leiden,
father
which
was not
was,
in
in
completely
not
to
the
and unknown
reason
why the
was requested.
17
DR. MINOR: it.
Dr. Minor.
You may have said
18
missed
19
number of El in the PER.CG and the site
20
of the DNA? In other
21
to it?
Is
there
anything
words,
22
DR. VAN DER EB:
23
DR. MINOR: in the
Or'is
this
know about
is El really
and I
the
copy
of integration all
there
is
Yeah. it
where it's
actually
-DR. VAN DER EB:
25
afterwards were
the
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
put
the
down,
fact,
I
with
known,
what was written
That
wrong
two children
16
24
of
and the
normal.
was nothing
She had at least
12
histories
father.
DR. VAN DER EB:
6
10
No, you had
question?
4 5
Minor,
No, El is the only
thing
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.. that's
present
that
2
'remember.
3
me.
4
are all
located
5
in that
kind
6
transfection
7
that
8
integrated,
are
in PER.C6.
I can't
Maybe somebody in the audience
I think
about
close
or seven
calcium
I think,
only
nothing
9
that
at this
11
Dr.
12
presentation,
13
adenovirus
transformed
14
transformed
cell
15
their
der
Eb very and
tumor
on.
ia
experimental
19
relate
20
hit
21
-region
22
expressed
23
area
24
explains
25
immunocompetent
tumor
on one chromosome
is
point
Dr.
and it's
another
Cook
to
of
to
per
us
about
tumorigenicity that
and determine
5 to
and
se
like to
to do is focus start
with
models and.how that
of
the
ElA
sensitize
immunological
the lack
informative
tell
at hand and then
ability
interest
to thank
capacity.
tumorigenicity
of Adeno.
going
interactions
development
the
Thank you.
we're
cell
host
to the question about
see after --
DR. COOK: So what I'd
17
may be
only
much for
ask
forming
16
which
So they
phosphate,
one side
it,
else.
I think van
in
you often
ACTING CHAIRMAN DAUM:
10
can correct
copies
to each other.
of tandem repeat with
is,
six
exactly
gene
cells
injury. I
think
of tumorigenicity
talk of
might
a little this
in which That's
it
in
to
El it's
been our
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